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| gibo 2/19/2003 02:16:57 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Why is fischer so great?Message: I understand he was world champ form 72-75 i think. He got a lot of publicity for being such an opinionated, erratic, eccentric person. I understand that he was the youngest ever gm for a very long time. But i dont understand why people could ever think he was the greatest world champ ever. kasparov who has bee world champ for 20 years (i think). I understand his nearest rival spassky was world champ for a similar amount of time. I mean what has fischer done that was so great? |
| calmrolfe 2/19/2003 03:36:40 [ report this post ] | A few inaccuracies !! Message: Gary Kasparov is not the World Chess Champion, Vladimir Kramnik currently holds the classical World Championship having defeated Kasparov in the title match. Spassky held the title from 1969 to 1972 (and not for twenty years !) Spassky was not the nearest rival to Kasparov, that honour fell to Anatoly Karpov and these two "K's" had many epic battles for the World Championship, nearly all of them won by Kasparov. Fischers greatness was not just because he defeated Spassky but rather that he took on and defeated the whole Soviet Chess system. Kind regards, Cal |
| cheesemuffin 2/19/2003 04:25:54 [ report this post ] | calmrolfe Message: I think he means that Spassky was Fischer's greatest rival, and was world champion for the same amount of time as Fischer, which is true |
| cheesemuffin 2/19/2003 04:28:12 [ report this post ] | Fischer Message: was great, because his standard of play was high enough to make him world champion for much more than 3 years. What let him down was his unwillingness to compromise with the authorities |
| easy_rider 2/19/2003 07:14:44 [ report this post ] | gibo Message: I'm not a good player but I've read some articles on the subject. I read Fischer had a particular type of playing, he made some very 'crazy' moves, sometimes oponents would be astonished and puzzled but not for long. So maybe Fischer was very original and inventive. This is what I've read :) |
| honololou 2/19/2003 15:38:02 [ report this post ] | where is edmaster� Message: when you need him? |
| judokausa 2/19/2003 16:09:52 [ report this post ] | Fischer Message: I read a comment recently by a GM that said Fischer played chess in the way they do now. His understanding of the game was vastly superior to any of his contemporaries. He, like a few players before him, took the game to the next level. I would argue that pushing the game to the next level has only been accomplished by a few players. Steinitz, capablanca, alekhine, fischer and kasparov these players pushed the boundries. (That does not mean other players were not great or talented but that they either did not stay around long enough to push others to higher levels. I too admire morphy, tal, and others but they didn't dominate in the same way these other players did. Morphy just beat everyone and went home.) |
| gibo 2/19/2003 21:01:38 [ report this post ] | Message: yeah thanks cheesemuffin thats what i meant sorry didn't really set it out that well |
| wacotton 2/19/2003 21:50:34 [ report this post ] | I agree with Message: Cheesemuffin. Fischer was capable of beating anyone! He just let himself get distracted by the ills of authorities. I think maybe he wanted a little too much also. Also didn't he reappear after 15 years and win the title again? |
| judokausa 2/19/2003 22:42:20 [ report this post ] | chuckle Message: he won a faux title. He demanded that he play for the world championship and people wanted to see him play again. He played spassky, crushed him again and then left. Noone takes his claim that he was playing for the WC seriously. We missed a great chessplayer and in my eyes the worst part was American chess had a chance to really grow with an American champ as an icon. When he left so did the American desire to play chess. (check out the USCF membership records it really is sad.) |
| brobishkin 2/19/2003 22:45:25 [ report this post ] | Fischer... Message: Robert James (Bobby) Fischer is undeniably, one of the most controversial players of the game of chess... Fischers brilliacies and uncommon behavior went hand in hand unfortunately... Considered bt many the most extraordinary phenomenon in the history of chess and perhaps the strongest player who ever played the game... The reason he was so great for his time (even though it was short) was he single-handedly took the title from the Russians, which is not an easy thing to do (even today)... He even made it to the championship undefeated and still holds the record of a 21 1/2 - 1/2 score to make the finals... Bobby Fischer always played for the win (even when a draw was sufficient for winning a tournament)... His unusual demands during tournaments, off the board antics, and unexplained forfeiture of his world title have brought him a notoriety uncharacteristic of most chess champions... Bro... |
| brulla 2/20/2003 04:03:40 [ report this post ] | Why Fischer was great? Message: Have a look at his games in the 1970 Interzonal, at the 1970/71 candidate matches against Larsen, Taimanov and Petrosjan, and you will understand. He was just superior in this absolute will to win and in his technique. |
| macheide 2/24/2003 09:38:54 [ report this post ] | gibo Message: Why was he so great? Just study his games. Best regards. |
| macheide 2/26/2003 16:48:53 [ report this post ] | easy_rider Message: Dear friend, Fischer style, in general, makes one to remember Capablanca�s, but Fischer was more dynamic, but he never overextended because his absolute sense of the positional play. In the openings he was the greatest theoretician in his time. In the middlegame he played rectilineal, like Capa (Once in a tournament, while looking a Fischer game, GM Simagin said in german: Er spielt so einfach! (He plays so easy!)), but could launch truly Alekhinian attacks when the position dictated. And in the endgame, he was a master who could torture his opponent during hours to materialize the most minimal possibility of victory. Kasparov himself admires and recommends to study Fischer�s legacy. Best wishes. |
| mettlesome 2/27/2003 11:07:32 [ report this post ] | And.... Message: Kasparov claims Fischer was the best ever simply because the gap between him and the rest of the world was greater than the gap between any other player and the rest of the world. Get a book and look through Fischer's tournament results.... (Although Korchnoi has a pretty hot record too when you look through it....and it just goes on and on and on...fischer didn't have that!) Mettlesome |
| cerner_rc 2/27/2003 14:39:26 [ report this post ] | Can anyone recommend... Message: ...a good book on studying Fischer and his tactics? I read "BF Teaches Chess" and it's truly elementary, not even worth the time to fly through it. I don't even recommend it to beginners. |
| macheide 2/27/2003 19:08:47 [ report this post ] | cerner_rc Message: Dear friend, The classic book on Fischer is "My 60 Memorable Games" by himself and GM Larry Evans. Unfortunately, as far as I know, it is out of print. There exist two used exemplars of this book in amazon.com, but one costs US$299.88 and the other US$99,00 plus shipping. There are many more extensive, actualized and commented collections of Fischer�s games. If you want to study the middlegame through Fischer�s games, there is an excelent book: "Fischer: His Approach to Chess" by Elie Agur, but it is something advanced. Best wishes. |
| cerner_rc 2/28/2003 12:25:06 [ report this post ] | Mach Message: Thank you! |
| atrifix 2/28/2003 12:31:08 [ report this post ] | MSMG Message: there's a reprint of this in algebraic, but the descriptive one is better although OOP if you can get a copy ($300 for a book seems ridiculous). Try looking at your nearest library, or ebay, etc. |
| silverwolfwsc 2/28/2003 13:43:56 [ report this post ] | I have it checked out Message: from my library (My 60 most memorable games). If you want it, you can pay whatever they will charge me to "lose" it + shipping, and ill send it your way. ~Silver |
| silverwolfwsc 2/28/2003 13:44:31 [ report this post ] | Also Message: I would be interested in a copy of it in Algebraic if it is available, do you know the publisher? |
| macheide 2/28/2003 14:56:37 [ report this post ] | silverwolfwsc is right Message: Amazon.com buys rare items to resell them. Now, some books are so rare that are extremely demanded and obviously its price rises. Some weeks ago, amazon.com send me a mail ofering US$281.00 for two books on Linux that are out of print. My answer was: no thanks. Best regards. |
| silverwolfwsc 2/28/2003 15:16:39 [ report this post ] | Actually Message: they allow users to setup accounts and sell through amazon.com. They take a little chunk of the money, and dont have to do anything. The books are being sold by people outside of amazon.com. |
| macheide 2/28/2003 15:23:40 [ report this post ] | silverwolfwsc Message: That�s right, my friend. |
| silverwolfwsc 2/28/2003 15:30:06 [ report this post ] | Im not kidding though Message: if you want the book that badly, and are willing to pay for my library fines, ill send it to you. I dont think anyone but me has checked it out in quite a long time. ~Silver |
| cerner_rc 2/28/2003 15:34:14 [ report this post ] | SW Message: How much are the fines? |
| silverwolfwsc 2/28/2003 15:40:36 [ report this post ] | I dont know Message: its not late yet. Ill call them and tell them i lost it and ask how much the fine will be. In the mean time, check your local library. ~Silver |
| ketchuplover 2/28/2003 16:07:05 [ report this post ] | He's great because... Message: watched me play & did the exact opposite of what I did :) |
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