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| calmrolfe 3/10/2003 03:28:23 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Live Gothic Chess Game IIMessage: Just opening a new thread for the moves.... |
| calmrolfe 3/10/2003 05:41:49 [ report this post ] | Ed Message: I will be in Bohemia from 13th to 18th March and will not be able to make any moves whilst I am away. Kind regards, Cal |
| pawntificator 3/10/2003 06:54:17 [ report this post ] | Could you post the whole move list too? Message: Just for convenience's sake.. |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/10/2003 08:10:34 [ report this post ] | Cal vs. Ed Message: 01. Nh3 h6 02. i3 d6 03. Bi2 Nc6 04. Af3 g5 05. g4 Ne5 06. Ag1 Nxg4 07. f3 Cf6 08. Kg2 Nxh2 09. Kxh2 Ch5 To quote an Ancient Chinese Proverb: "Sometimes to scare the monkey, you must kill a chicken". :) My experience in Gothic has been that the Bishops and Knights have DIFFERENT merits depending on the stage of the game and which side of the board they start! There are strict-thinking 8x8 chessplayers out there who would call my 10x8 synopsis heresy, but look at some interesting tidbits: * The Queen's Bishop can issue a deadly flank check (offensive merit > King Bishop) and the King's Bishop is often needed to defend the potenitally weak h3/i2 area of the board (more of a defensive task.) Example: Look at what happened to Aaron in his first game; he got nabbed by a flank bishop move, pinning his Chancellor to the King. A common misplay by white is: 1. e4 b6 2. d4 Ba6+! and a major piece is lost already since nothing else can intervene and block the check! For this reason, I believe the Queen's Bishop is more of an asset in the opening stage of the game. * The Queen's Knight is usually deployed lastly in the opening, and tends to not factor into tactical exchanges for most of the game. For this reason, I tend to think of it as being "expendable" :) If I can get the QN into play early, I will do so. * Two pawns are not enough shelter for a King against three Bishops! In my game with Cal, I got 2 pawns for the QN, plus strong attacking prospects. So, as the other pieces on my side gain activity, I would think the QN would tend to "get in the way", so I am better off without it. Just my thoughts. |
| calmrolfe 3/10/2003 08:11:53 [ report this post ] | Move list Message: Cal vs. Ed 01. Nh3 h6 02. i3 d6 03. Bi2 Nc6 04. Af3 g5 05. g4 Ne5 06. Ag1 Nxg4 07. f3 Cf6 08. Kg2 .Nxh2?! 09. Kxh2 A is ArchBishop (combination of Bishop or Knight moves) C is Chancellor (combination of rook or Knight moves) Board is 10 x 8 so have extra i & j files Kind regards, Cal |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/10/2003 09:11:38 [ report this post ] | Ed vs. Aaron Message: 01. g4 d5 02. Bf3 |
| calmrolfe 3/10/2003 16:08:10 [ report this post ] | rook to h1 Message: I also think your Chancellor is getting in the way of your attack, I think you should sacrifice that as well !!!! (just to free up your position you understand.........) :) Kind regards Cal PS Good luck Aaron |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/10/2003 19:17:35 [ report this post ] | To Cal... Message: I did play my move already, ...Ch5, in case you did not see it. |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/10/2003 19:18:36 [ report this post ] | Ooops never mind... Message: ...saw your move was in the subject heading! Sorry! |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/10/2003 19:32:50 [ report this post ] | Cal vs. Ed Message: 01. Nh3 h6 02. i3 d6 03. Bi2 Nc6 04. Af3 g5 05. g4 Ne5 06. Ag1 Nxg4 07. f3 Cf6 08. Kg2 Nxh2 09. Kxh2 Ch5 10. Rh1 Be5+ Hey, you were trying the old multi-move castle weren't you? Trying to get in Ki1 and settle in and be cozy. Hmmm, we cannot allow that! :) |
| kingslinger 3/10/2003 20:02:49 [ report this post ] | wow! Message: This is a very interesting chess-variant! I have never played it, but it looks extremely challenging. Also I think Fischer random chess looks like fun, since it bypasses all opening-book theory right from move 1. no doubt this variant of chess mus be even more difficult than normal chess, since there are more files, more pawns, more pieces, and even more types of pieces! -Good Job! |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/10/2003 21:39:06 [ report this post ] | Re: wow! Message: Hi Kingslinger, Gothic Chess is more fun (in my opinion) because of the new pieces and the fact that it is not too much different from regular chess. Other variants really get crazy, this one is rather tame and logically motivated. Stop by: www.geocities.com/bow_of_odysseus/livegam es.html and have a look at games in progress. --Ed |
| calmrolfe 3/11/2003 00:28:54 [ report this post ] | AHA !! Message: Fooled you !! I am not going for a simple multi move kingside castling !! I am going for a mega move Queenside castling instead !!! I wasn't too sure about Ki1, my Kingside defences are fairly well shot to pieces and it didn't look too attractive an option to tuck him away there behind the remains of my defences. My King will lead by example and stand in the open and fight !! Who'd be a King.. huh ! Kind regards, Cal |
| calmrolfe 3/11/2003 00:30:12 [ report this post ] | so... Message: Kg2 |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/11/2003 07:18:05 [ report this post ] | Cal vs. Ed Message: 01. Nh3 h6 02. i3 d6 03. Bi2 Nc6 04. Af3 g5 05. g4 Ne5 06. Ag1 Nxg4 07. f3 Cf6 08. Kg2 Nxh2 09. Kxh2 Ch5 10. Rh1 Be5+ 11. Kg2 g4 Of course ...Cg3+ can lead to a deadly Chancellor's Vortex. It is amazing how often this theme arises in Gothic Chess. In such a position the Chancellor checks while blocking his own Bishop. Sometimes the king can *only* move to the square where the Bishop check is revealed, so the Chancellor gets a "free move" and usually swipes material in the process. Sometimes the enemy king is so constrained it can only return to where it all started, allowing the Chancellor to come back and check, setting up the revealed Bishop check again. In such a position, the Chancellor can remove every piece that is a sliding Rook move away, or a Knight move away. Since you have f2 as a flight resource, this is not a Chancellor's Vortex. But...I think the pawn push here complicates the position enough :) |
| calmrolfe 3/12/2003 02:26:32 [ report this post ] | Better than I hoped ! Message: As I am a novice at this game I am finding it very instructional to be playing such a complete Master of the game as yourself. I am beginning to learn from you the intricasies and techniques required by this game, the "Chancellor Vortex" is a fascinating concept, thanks for explaining it so well. No doubt you have many other "tricks up your sleeve" ! I will further "muddy the waters" by moving pawn to f4. You don't mind, do you, if my King takes refuge behind YOUR pawn shield as my shield is broken........ :) Don't forget I will be away for a few days and will not be able to make my next move until the middle of next week. Kind regards, Cal |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/12/2003 08:25:50 [ report this post ] | I think I found a checkmate Message: I will take some extra time to explore this, but I think I can distill all of the "if" moves to a checkmate. |
| tulkos 3/12/2003 16:46:07 [ report this post ] | sorry I haven't moved in a while. Message: e5 |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/16/2003 18:23:58 [ report this post ] | Ed vs. Ben Message: 01. g4 d5 02. Bf3 e5 04. b3 Sorry Ben I got real busy. I have been negotiating for an online graphical user interface for Gothic Chess, and I finally have a site that will host it!!! More details, but this week you will be able to play Gothic Chess online in real time against another opponent! |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/17/2003 07:04:15 [ report this post ] | Gothic Chess Now Online!! Message: There is no longer a need to email games back and forth to one another! Go to BrainKing.com and play Gothic Chess live, and automatically have your games rated! My screen name there is GothicChessPro, hope to see you all there! (I also hope the webmaster here considers doing an implementation!!) |
| tulkos 3/17/2003 14:31:12 [ report this post ] | sorry I am moving so slowly, our computer broke Message: down. my move: g6 |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/17/2003 22:10:58 [ report this post ] | Come to BrainKing.com Ben! Message: We can play the game live there if you want, they are using my graphics, so it looks cool! |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/18/2003 08:29:40 [ report this post ] | Cal vs. Ed Message: 01. Nh3 h6 02. i3 d6 03. Bi2 Nc6 04. Af3 g5 05. g4 Ne5 06. Ag1 Nxg4 07. f3 Cf6 08. Kg2 Nxh2 09. Kxh2 Ch5 10. Rh1 Be5+ 11. Kg2 g4 12. f4 gxh3+ Cal, my name on BrainKing.com is GothicChessPro. Come on over and challenge me to a game, we can run up the same moves and play it out graphically, it will be so much better! Ben, same thing, join BrainKing.com by just using your email address and we can both play with the graphics. |
| schaakhamster 3/18/2003 10:43:35 [ report this post ] | gothic chess Message: intrigues me ;) |
| zucan 3/18/2003 13:04:48 [ report this post ] | Vote to keep one here... Message: How about keeping your game with Cal here? You have been commenting on each move and it has been quite insightful to learn the strategies and way of thinking when playing this interesting variant of chess. If you move to the graphical board, we will lose out on that! Since the game is already up to move 12, it would be nice to see you guys finish it here in the forums... Just my 2 cents... Zucan |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/19/2003 16:39:15 [ report this post ] | Re: Zucan Message: Ok Zucan, I can continue a game or two here to keep you updated. I am curious, are you viewing the graphics at the site? How are you following the game? Once you go to BrainKing.com you have the ability to see anyone's games in progress, similar to here. I had chatted with Mike a while back about a Gothic feature, but his "to do" list was quite long and a new variant was not a high priority (and rightly so.) But now it seems there is more of a demand for this than even I had imagined. I sold about 14 Gothic Chess sets since Monday, to 4 different countries! I plan on annotating some games on the website in the near future. I am also pursuing adding Gothic Chess to the MindSport Olympiad. Your feedback was appreciated. --Ed |
| calmrolfe 3/23/2003 14:16:24 [ report this post ] | i2 x h3 Message: That pesky Bishop of yours has been giving me problems right from the start....and it's still giving me problems !! Good luck in the International Challenge match. Is it really being held in Prague or is it internet games being administered from Prague ? I've only just come back from Prague.....I could have played !!! :) Kind regards, Cal |
| schaakhamster 3/23/2003 23:53:35 [ report this post ] | It's via brainking.com Message: a czech internetsite (it's also in English); it's a lot like gameknot, itsyourturn,... but has a lot of variants (like gothic chess). Join us if you will (I'm schaakhamster also on that site =)) |
| calmrolfe 3/24/2003 00:50:32 [ report this post ] | Hi schaakhamster Message: I have already joined ! :) Purely to play some more games of Gothic Chess as I would like to learn more of the tactics and strategy involved in playing that game. I have just one game in progress there at present (apart from the game v Ed) as I have several important Chess games taking up my time at present. Good luck in your Tournament. Kind regards, Cal |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/24/2003 07:16:57 [ report this post ] | Website with Gothic Chess Strategy Message: Hey Cal, Welcome back. I setup a (still somewhat lame) website and I am adding content to it daily. Check out the following links: An annotated "Game of the Month" with plently of diagrams is at: www.geocities.com/bow_of_odysseus/gotm.html Some interesting chess evolution history, and part of the Gothic Chess story is at: same prefix, then /why_change.html More Gothic only stuff at: same prefix, then /deadly_arch.html same prefix, then /how_to_play_games.html A picture of the Gothic Chess sets is at same prefix, then /standard.html Let me know what you think! I am constantly adding more. |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/24/2003 07:30:44 [ report this post ] | Cal vs. Ed (checkmate) Message: 01. Nh3 h6 02. i3 d6 03. Bi2 Nc6 04. Af3 g5 05. g4 Ne5 06. Ag1 Nxg4 07. f3 Cf6 08. Kg2 Nxh2 09. Kxh2 Ch5 10. Rh1 Be5+ 11. Kg2 g4 12. f4 gxh3+ 13. Bxh3 Cxf4+ if 14. Kh2 then 14...Cxe2# if 14. Kg3 then 14...Cxe2+ if 15. Kh4 then 15...Ai6+ 16. Ki4 (forced) Cxj2# if 15. Kf3 then 15...Ai6+ 16. Bg4 (forced) Bxg4# I vote you take the last option, it will look the coolest when I put it up on the website as an animated gif file :) But, it is your choice, of course. |
| calmrolfe 3/24/2003 13:46:09 [ report this post ] | I'm all for the cool version !! Message: Kf3 followed by Bg4 :) Thanks for the game. I enjoyed that. You have now sparked my interest in Gothic Chess and I have started another Gothic Chess match (this time not against the world's best player.....huge sigh of relief !!) :) But remember, just like Arnie...."I will be back !!" Good luck in the International Challenge, I will certainly follow the games with interest. By the way, the help files along the left hand side of the website don't seem to be working, I just see "abcdefg" when I try to read the help files. Also, the only game visible seems to be your won game, nothing happens when I try to view the other games......minor bugs ? Kind regards Cal |
| gothicchessdotcom 3/25/2003 11:16:28 [ report this post ] | Still building the website Message: www.geocities.com/bow_of_odysseus/io1.html should show the games now. USA leads 3-0. www.geocities.com/bow_of_odysseus/why_c hange.html is a very interesting article. www.geocities.com/bow_of_odysseus/deadly _arch.html is a cool link on the Archbishop. I am still building the rest of the site. |
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