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| tombro 3/20/2003 06:56:01 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Is this not a forced draw?Message: White king on f2, black king on g4, black pawn on h4, with black to move. My opponent declined my draw offer respectfully. I can't see black queening that pawn for the life of me...only a stalemate. |
| jean_marc 3/20/2003 07:55:54 [ report this post ] | stalemate Message: but maybe your opponent had hoped that you would make a mistake... |
| tombro 3/20/2003 08:11:54 [ report this post ] | Thanks... Message: ...this is as I had thought. A stalemate with my opponent hoping for a blunder. I won't. ;-] |
| zdrak 3/20/2003 09:50:30 [ report this post ] | Message: Requesting advice from other people regarding an ongoing game is equal to cheating, both according to the letter AND the spirit of GK rules. Please do not do it again. It's YOUR game, so just play it out. |
| lespaul 3/20/2003 12:18:03 [ report this post ] | Yes.... Message: Zdrak is right, but under the circumstances, it's probably OK, since the outcome is a forgone conclusion anyway. |
| jean_marc 3/20/2003 15:03:56 [ report this post ] | unfair accusation Message: 1. He isn't playing this game her at GK (I checked that out). 2. I never suggested a move or in any way advised him on how he should play. |
| silverwolfwsc 3/20/2003 15:15:58 [ report this post ] | its not Message: the advice that makes it cheating, its asking for it. Even if its not here at GK, its still against the spirit of correspondence chess anywhere. The fact is that unless there is no way for either side to make a mistake, the game is not over. It starts this way, and will end this way. Chess is not a game you can be perfect at like checkers. Along the same lines, would it be OK to go into the forums at another chess site, and ask for advice on your games here? ~Silver |
| honololou 3/20/2003 15:25:33 [ report this post ] | it doesn't matter� Message: whether the game is at GK or not. It's still cheating. And no one is accusing you jean_marc of anything. Regardless of the answers one gets it is not right to ask advice about an ongoing game. Perhaps tombro was unaware. |
| gambitnut 3/20/2003 17:39:49 [ report this post ] | I'm not sure tombro was asking for advice Message: Tombro's question seemed to be more along the lines of the thread we some times see here: "Why is my opponent wasting my time by not resigning when a queen down?", in this case, it's "Why is my opponent wasting my time by not agreeing to a draw when it's just going to be stalemate in a few moves anyway?". |
| dozer 3/21/2003 01:12:02 [ report this post ] | I agree with gambitnut Message: It's just that there are no arbiters on gameknot to judge positions are they draws or not... Kind Regards, Dozer |
| cairo 3/21/2003 02:10:20 [ report this post ] | It Message: is not that difficault IMHO, if your obey the rules say: Never discuss an ongoing/live game, regardless what, but doing it after the game is finish, is really good stuff :-)) Best wishes Cairo |
| tombro 3/21/2003 04:22:58 [ report this post ] | Now we can talk about it... Message: ...as my opponent agreed to my draw offer. He reviewed the position overnight and conceded it would lead to stalemate. No moves were made since my original post. I was not asking for move advice, as the position was a foregone conclusion. This was my first and last post here on any such position topics, as I do not wish to offend anyone. Perhaps the newer players can learn from positions and situations such as this that the game is not over. My opponent's original reply to my draw offer was: "Resistance is futile...I respectfully decline your draw offer." I looked and looked at this classic postition, as I just recently drew a game in this very position with a higher ranked player here at GK. Here is the draw game in question I just finished with hang2man: [[White "Tom"] [Black "hang2man"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Be7 5. O-O O-O 6. Nd5 Nxe4 7. Nxe7+ Qxe7 8. Re1 Nf6 9. d4 e4 10. Qe2 d5 11. Bb3 Nc6 12. Bg5 Qd6 13. Bxf6 Qxf6 14. Nd2 Nxd4 15. Qe3 c6 16. c3 Nf5 17. Qf4 Qg6 18. Rad1 h5 19. f3 e3 20. Nf1 h4 21. Bc2 Re8 22. Nxe3 Qh6 23. Qxh6 Nxh6 24. Nxd5 Rxe1+ 25. Rxe1 Be6 26. Nc7 Rd8 27. Nxe6 fxe6 28. Rxe6 Rd2 29. Bb3 Kh7 30. Re7 Nf5 31. Rxb7 Ne3 32. h3 Rxg2+ 33. Kh1 Rg3 34. Be6 Rxf3 35. Rxa7 Rf1+ 36. Kh2 Rf2+ 37. Kg1 Rxb2 38. Re7 Rc2 39. Bg8+ Kxg8 40. Rxe3 Rxa2 41. Re4 g5 42. Rc4 Ra5 43. Rxc6 Rf5 44. Rd6 Kf7 45. c4 Ke7 46. Rd5 Rxd5 47. cxd5 Kd6 48. Kf2 Kxd5 49. Ke3 Ke5 50. Kf3 Kf5 51. Ke3 g4 52. hxg4+ Kxg4 53. Kf2 1/2-1/2 |
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