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mate_you_in_fifty

11/27/2003
13:29:33

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Subject: Some people aren't good sports

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board #1289811
I didn't say anything in reply. Or should I?


thumper

11/27/2003
13:39:21

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Not verbally

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You spoke quite well in twelve ;-)

anaxagoras

11/27/2003
14:02:19

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He didn't put any thought into his game at all until his comment!

baseline

11/27/2003
14:03:41

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Some people aren't good sports

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what else is new! :o)

honololou

11/27/2003
14:27:00

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thanks for the tip´┐Ż

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a new addition to my ignore list

achillesheel

11/27/2003
14:45:05

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Anaxagoras says:

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"He didn't put any thought into his game at all until his comment!"

I don't think he put any thought in even at that point ;-)

Are we sure this guy isn't just joking? When playing CLOSE FRIENDS or my brother I may sometimes post comments like "you suck" when they make a great move. I'd never say such a thing to a stranger, of course.


mate_you_in_fifty

11/27/2003
15:33:44

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achillesheel

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well,I hope you are right. If he was just joking,I take back what I said. Still,it's not a nice thing to say to a stranger.

kai_sim

11/27/2003
15:55:05

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well

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regardless if it was meant as a joke or not, i think it is rude and impolite to say.
an apologie is the least thing s/he can do.
and as usuall: a joke is when both sides can laugh


jeffz_2002

11/27/2003
16:08:35

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Few things bother me as much as rudeness

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Some ideas:

- join every game of his that you can, and whip his a** (again)
- create a new account expressly for games with him, with username "vendetta"
- get all of your friends to join his games, play a few moves in, and then have them add the comment, "My friend mate_in_fifty says hello" ...

>:-)


mate_you_in_fifty

11/27/2003
16:17:16

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LOL Jeff

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That's funny:) Oh well though,I'll just leave the matter where it is. Just wanted to see what you all thought of it.

flyerguy1012

11/27/2003
17:31:14

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Jeffz

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definetely does have some classic ideas there........I have someone in mind
and those oughta do the trick.Thanks Jeff


baseline

11/27/2003
18:26:50

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don't create a new account!

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It's against the site rules, and the webmaster has been suspending multiple accounts. You could find yourself having to buy a membership to continue playing here at GK.

thumper

11/27/2003
19:49:22

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MYIF

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I'd let it go. You roughed him up pretty good already and life is too short. Enjoy your win and move on to another game.

flyerguy1012

11/28/2003
19:16:51

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ok

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I guess I'll just use of of em then......... :P

buddy2

11/29/2003
18:25:05

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sympathize

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I sympathize with mate you in 50, even though he won the game. Occasionally, during blitz over at ICC, I'll have a guy say "you suck," or "you're a loser" while the game is in progress. I don't think it's meant as a joke. I just think there are people out there who are so beyond the pale, they don't belong in ordinary society and can't deal with normal people. I think sociopath is the psychobabble term. Everybody at Gameknot, so far, has been polite during my games, but you never know.

ketchuplover

11/30/2003
10:19:34

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I added "it" to my ignore list.

jean-marc

12/01/2003
20:17:28

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Game's image...

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I agree with buddy2. That sort of is all too rampant in the chess world. Whether it's OTB, or on the Net, there's a core of people who seem to forget about Respect for the opponent (no matter what their rating).

anaxagoras

12/02/2003
10:02:22

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"I just think there are people out there who are so beyond the pale, they don't belong in ordinary society and can't deal with normal people. I think sociopath is the psychobabble term."

You are certainly right that some people can't live in society, but I hope you don't conclude that about people merely because they aren't nice over the chess board!

"Sociopath" is not a psychobabble term, and it worries me that you say it is.


themadphantom

12/02/2003
12:12:31

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It looks like he was joking..

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It looks like he was telling you you're good by sarcastically saying the opposite, Maybe he even meant is as a compliment. I personally wouldn't get offended.

buddy2

12/03/2003
07:18:36

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psychobbabble

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In the old days, we would say these types of people are simply possessed by the devil--another type of babble. Look Gameknot is a little society. Most people realize that it works well whenever people are considerate toward each other. Insulting your opponent during the game (or after) is not considerate. Unfortunately, some people (for whatever reason) don't have that little moral trigger mechanism that stops them from saying or doing things to offend other people. If they mess up at gameknot, I can just bet they mess up in general society. On the other hand, as themadphantom suggests, he might just using the term "you suck" in the ironic mode, in which case he's aligning himself with the Jonathan Swift contingent, much too intelligent for us mere chess players.

buddy2

12/03/2003
07:18:49

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psychobbabble

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In the old days, we would say these types of people are simply possessed by the devil--another type of babble. Look Gameknot is a little society. Most people realize that it works well whenever people are considerate toward each other. Insulting your opponent during the game (or after) is not considerate. Unfortunately, some people (for whatever reason) don't have that little moral trigger mechanism that stops them from saying or doing things to offend other people. If they mess up at gameknot, I can just bet they mess up in general society. On the other hand, as themadphantom suggests, he might just using the term "you suck" in the ironic mode, in which case he's aligning himself with the Jonathan Swift contingent, much too intelligent for us mere chess players.

anaxagoras

12/03/2003
09:05:21

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"If they mess up at gameknot, I can just bet they mess up in general society."

That is the conclusion I was afraid of. From what I understand about internet personalities, the vast majority of jerks are normal people who take liberties because the other person is not face to face with them. Granted, that doesn't make it o.k., or rational, but I hope these people are suffering from stress at their jobs or from their spouses and need to blow off some steam. In other words, they probably do have that little moral trigger mechanism, but the safety is off when they log on! ;-)

As for psychobabble, I would caution against throwing "sociopathy" into that category because it is a real cognitive disorder, different from psychopathy, that real people suffer from. You could say that two things are necessary for moral agency, which are to understand that other people exist and have feelings, and secondly to understand that it's wrong to hurt them. Failing the former is sociopathy, and failing the latter is psychopathy. The vast majority of criminals and jerks suffer from neither of these conditions: they just don't care, and that's why we punish when someone really screws up.



spurtus

12/03/2003
09:27:12

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This ALL could be a spelling mistake or a language error... ?

Maybe the player actually meant...

"(tibibacsi) don't ever join my games 'I' suck"

Then again maybe not?

Regards,
Spurtus.


buddy2

12/03/2003
13:28:27

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liberties

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If you "take liberties" when you are not face to face with people, isn't that itself an aberration? If this were merely job stress or other problems of the moment, lashing out would be understandable, but we don't know, do we? This individual did not (as far as I know) apologize later. The few people I have known to make derogatory comments over ICC, continue to do it, with no apologies. "You suck," You're a moron," etc. It may be some cultural phenomenon for all I know, to deride people they are in competition with. It might be ok in basketball, but not in chess. I have gotten to the point of writing down the handles of people who make snide remarks during games, and aborting them at onset rather than listen to their drivel. So far I've gotten 3. Everybody else is friendly and polite. As for "because it (sociopathy) is a real cognitive disorder, different from psychopathy, that real people suffer from," I simply do not know what that means.

anaxagoras

12/03/2003
14:02:27

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I've unfortunately witnessed online language and dialogue that makes "you suck" look like a nice-to-meet-you greeting. It's such a weak insult, I can hardly understand why it should be taken so seriously and why some become so indignant.

As for sociopathy, suppose I stated it this way:

"Sociopathy is a cognitive disorder that afflicts many people."

Is that clear? I just don't want to see something so serious put under the category of "psychobabble" because that would undermine the seriousness with which we should regard the condition. There is a lot of talk that qualifies as psychobabble, I grant you that, but "sociopathy" is not a part of it.


mate_you_in_fifty

12/03/2003
19:22:57

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looks like

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I opened a can of worms!

jeffz_2002

12/04/2003
14:54:12

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Yeah mate_you_in_fifty

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you suck! :)

gothicgirl

12/06/2003
19:50:55

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you had....

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... a bad looser as opponent, so he speaks for himself!
so he should playing better/ take responsability
for his chess play instead of talking rubbish! you
did very well not to say anything else, very wise! :-)




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