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| mate_you_in_fifty 12/09/2003 10:42:35 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: would be nice to have arbiters in GKMessage: since Mike has too much work to do anyway. I know everyone has a right to decline draws and play on,but sometimes it is very annoying. board #1243466 |
| happinessisawarmgun 12/09/2003 11:31:22 [ report this post ] | mmmmmm Message: I would play on just to piss you off if *you* spoke to *me* like that . |
| achillesheel 12/09/2003 11:40:55 [ report this post ] | I'm with happinessisawarmgun Message: on this one mate. I don't know what preceded the comments, but that was rather condescending. I don't think I would have advertised that one. (I'm not for advertising comments generally ... I do think there is SOME element of anonymity in OTB conversations given the volume of games played on this site). By the way, how do you guys find the board numbers for linking FINISHED games? If I go into my game history and pull up a board it is nowhere to be found. |
| anaxagoras 12/09/2003 11:43:32 [ report this post ] | Message: It isn't nearly as annoying as people who have their games postponed more often than not... So take a chill pill, ok? I don't know what transpired between you two earlier, but your vitriolic spitle is a waste of oxygen. |
| mate_you_in_fifty 12/09/2003 11:57:16 [ report this post ] | anaxagoras Message: Yes,unfortunate the previous comments are deleted as they come so nobody would know. I do attest though that my supposedly vitriolic comments were definitely provoked by my opponent. Still,he graciously offered me a draw shortly after my post,so that doesn't really matter anymore. What does matter is that if A accuses B of being a patzer,and A claims a win in a drawn position,that's hypocrisy. |
| mate_you_in_fifty 12/09/2003 12:01:54 [ report this post ] | nb Message: patzer or "blunderer",it means the same thing. I think I have some leeway to respond angrily if someone accuses me of being a blunderer and therefore uses that as an excuse to play a drawn game. Not that it has to be a lie,but it's just rude. No matter how poor my opponent was (OTB or online),I would not point out his blunders unless he specifically asked for criticism. |
| achillesheel 12/09/2003 12:08:31 [ report this post ] | Mate Message: By the way, how do you guys find the board numbers for linking FINISHED games? If I go into my game history and pull up a board it is nowhere to be found. ??? Thx. |
| mate_you_in_fifty 12/09/2003 12:14:36 [ report this post ] | achillesheel Message: I don't know. I linked it before the game suddenly ended. |
| caissa 12/09/2003 16:28:00 [ report this post ] | Achilles Message: try going into your past game history and put your mouse cursor over the game result.... The board number is shown in your status bar! board #1204082 Caissa |
| achillesheel 12/09/2003 17:09:34 [ report this post ] | Thx Caissa Message: How devious! |
| ir0nh0rse 12/10/2003 12:12:52 [ report this post ] | thats not a decisive win! Message: mate, check out this game... not that i mind playing until checkmate, I very rarly get the staisfaction. I'm going to see how many queens I can get... board #1279277 |
| jean-marc 12/10/2003 18:52:17 [ report this post ] | That's nothing. Look at this one... Message: That's nothing. Look at this one. board #917056 Every move is taking 3 days for a response. and we're currently back on a 21-day holiday. All this without any form of provocation, apart from politely declining half a dozen draws (the last one of which 1 move ago !). ...and don't tell me about young players going to the end so that they can learn how to play end games. This opponent is rated over 1800. Still, I'm a very patient guy. I worry about the mentality of some, though. I guess you have to feel sorry for them. |
| commodore 12/10/2003 19:16:10 [ report this post ] | *click* vote to delete Message: I see no redeeming quality is this thread at all but a box of kleenex for all the weeping and whining. Grow some chest hair and deal with it but don't subject this great site and us to this mindless drivel |
| mate_you_in_fifty 12/10/2003 19:36:29 [ report this post ] | commodore Message: It so happens that some of us like to get it off our chests rather than "grow chest hair" as you so crudely put it. If you aren't interested,don't read such posts. Nobody is forcing you to. Please don't dictate what is or isn't acceptable simply based on your preferences. Perhaps I ought to have posted this in GK-related,though. |
| baseline 12/10/2003 19:55:55 [ report this post ] | Gentlemen Message: I am suprised and dismayed. Trotting out games to ridicule and embarass opponets is the lowest form of sportsmanship. I know you guys are better than this. Many players are not aware of chess history and culture especially the art of offering and accepting a draw. Another is knowing when to resign a game. Its simple really, you accept a draw when your opponet demenstrates that he knows the prolper way to draw the game. You resign a game when you opponet shows you he knows how to convert his advantage into a win. If he dosent resign a hopeless game just consider it a challenge to mate him in fewest number of moves and improve your technique. In any event if you conduct yourself as a gentleman and show your opponet the respect that we all deserve as individules he will more likely take your comments about chess culture to heart. |
| commodore 12/10/2003 20:27:17 [ report this post ] | Crude Message: would be the Iron Age, your post has no value. Players are allowed to play to the last second or delay or prolong the game to the fullest extent within the rules. If they are not conforming to your standard it is quite rude to remind or reprimand them. Baseline is certainly correct in his comments and observations, this post belongs in the round file or Davy Jones Locker. |
| mate_you_in_fifty 12/10/2003 21:30:23 [ report this post ] | commodore Message: Of course they are 'allowed' to play until the end. I did not contest that. The fact is that "rules" are different from "etiquette". It is not "my" standard,it is a widely accepted standard to accept draws in a totally hopeless position. Many websites,including GK, do not recognize draws such as KB vs KB,KR vs KR,KQ vs KQ,etc(all pawnless). Playing for fifty moves to draw such games is a waste of time and energy. I had every right to take offense at slanderous comments on my playing ability (which may or may not be true,but etiquette demands that opponents refrain from derogatory or snide remarks,no matter how true). It is unfortunate that I was unable to save the prior remarks,as otherwise it makes ME look like the "aggressor" here,which isn't so. If I was playing King + Rook vs an opponent's King + Rook,with no pawns,and I insisted on playing on by telling him that seeing his history of blunders,I hoped to skewer his King and Rook,that would be extremely rude and disrespectful of me. |
| mate_you_in_fifty 12/10/2003 21:36:33 [ report this post ] | If I might clarify Message: It's not so much the refusal of the draw that angered me as much as the derogatory remarks that accompanied it. I should think that GK is a site where one can play without being told by a total stranger that you are a habitual blunderer and that is a reason to play on a drawn position. I guess not. Another example I may provide is King + 2 Knights vs King. This is theoretically drawn,but can very well be won if the opponent blunders. Telling the opponent that he is a blunderer is not polite at all. |
| ir0nh0rse 12/10/2003 22:43:34 [ report this post ] | Message: I don't think I was ridiculing with my post, but check out how long this moron took to resign! board #1321854 |
| jeffz_2002 12/11/2003 06:25:42 [ report this post ] | That was uncalled for ir0nh0rse Message: Who the hell are you to call someone a moron? Even if that someone is you? I think you should report yourself to the webmaster ... at least put yourself on your ignore list. |
| achillesheel 12/11/2003 06:41:04 [ report this post ] | Hope Springs Eternal Message: We all have our reasons for playing games out. I tend to play a few moves after all seems lost if I see any chance for a blunder, but I will not try for stalemate and so forth if it will just drag on and on and on. But here is why I never resign just because I am way down in material early in the game (OK, against a 1700 I would have resigned before this point in the game), but it reminds me of Silman's advice that being down in material never necessarily equates to a loss, it simply means it's time to get creative! board #1038150 |
| dysfl 12/11/2003 07:59:07 [ report this post ] | Some interesting replies, indeed. Message: I am partially amused to see that this thread has not been turned to mud-slinging already, which would happen so easily in other forums or news groups. I�m thankful to all the people above keeping it within range. Also, looking some of the board give me some relief that I�m not alone having uneasy feelings on a very few games I had so far. IMHO, meeting a nagging player is part of net play, whatever the game is. If you think you�ve seen enough from some of the examples above, you should try to get on Xbox online. They will call you with all kinds of names, which I don�t even dare to give some samples here, directly to your ears as it uses headsets, live voice comments. It could be one of the ideal place to test your anger management skills from your couch. Just let it be. Chess is not a game for everyone. We won�t have too many of them anyway. |
| commodore 12/11/2003 16:32:33 [ report this post ] | Ignore List Message: Mate man, put this annoying gnat on your ignore list and move on. Too many pin heads out there to get your knickers in a twist!~ |
| jean-marc 12/11/2003 17:36:13 [ report this post ] | commodore Message: Dear commodore. After your 10/12 comments, I'm surprised you're still reading "this mindless drivel" with "no redeeming quality". |
| commodore 12/11/2003 18:00:17 [ report this post ] | Just wanted the author Message: to know that there are checks and balances in place to take care of his/this thorn and that I am not trying to kill the messanger. |
| calmrolfe 12/12/2003 16:32:55 [ report this post ] | mate_you_in_fifty Message: You have two choices :- (1) Just play the game and don't whinge (2) Change your name to mate-you-in-250 :) |
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