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| ccmcacollister 3/20/2004 23:58:09 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Greatest Chessplayer Ever ?!Message: What happened to Janpot, thought he was going to ask this. Since I have to; it gets modified. Wondering who YOUR TOP 10 would be. Haven't decided mine for sure yet. I might be more interested in 10 Greatest Attackers or something. Anything on such lines; any opinions out there? If so, please help our new, more boring Forums to survive, and say so!~ Thanks Much, You Bet ! |
| tyekanyk 3/21/2004 01:41:10 [ report this post ] | I was thinking of something simillar Message: O.K. here goes: 1. Garry Kasparov 2. Robert James Fischer 3. J.R. Capablanca 4. A. Alekhine 5. A. Karpov 6. Akiba Rubinstein 7. B. Spasski 8. M. Botvinnik 9. M. Tal 10. V. Kramnik This is purely subjective so feel free to disagree. |
| coyotefan 3/21/2004 02:44:22 [ report this post ] | You missed a biggie Message: Victor Korchnoi. Lost the best years to the Iron Curtain. 1.Fischer 2.Korchnoi 3.Capablanca 4.Kasparov 5.Spassky 6.Botvinnik 7.Alekhine 8.Annad 9.Karpov 10.Tal It is tough to rank the Iron Curtain champs, as there was so much cheating that it is hard to know what was legit, and what was not. |
| ccmcacollister 3/21/2004 03:09:17 [ report this post ] | My 13 Favorite GM's or equivalent Message: I went with Favorites, not necessarily strongest... 1. H.N.Pillsbury 2. RJF 3. Tal 4. Spassky 5. Vehlimirovic 6. Bronstein 7. Kasparov 8. Evans 9. Fedorowicz 10. Browne 11. Benko 12 Marjanovic And of course The Ever-Handsome 13. Van der Wiel (cuz he looks like me 8-) I'm starting to like Lasker a lot these days too. There's just somethin about a grumpy-lookin Chessplayer with a stinky cigar. Brings back many fond, youthful memories. |
| commodore 3/21/2004 09:21:35 [ report this post ] | Favs Message: in not particular order: 1. RJF 2. Tal 3. Bronstein 4. Pilsbury 5. Chigorin 6. Cambell 7. Kasparov 8. Alekhine 9. Estrin 10. Hamarat 11. Myself :-)) 12. Free agent to be named later... |
| commodore 3/21/2004 09:24:41 [ report this post ] | OOp's Message: forgot a rising genius among the chess scene that should be watched Magnus Carlsen, age 13. Simply a marvelous player! |
| chessnovice 3/21/2004 10:15:37 [ report this post ] | ... Message: 1. Bobby Fischer 2. Jose Raul Capablanca 3. Mikhail Tal 4. Henry Pillsbury 5. Paul Morphy Players 6-10, I would have to think about. I never counted chessplayers up to 10 before. :) |
| myway316 3/21/2004 11:14:38 [ report this post ] | This subject... Message: ...can be debated 'til the cows come home. To me,there is only one man fit to wear the crown-Dr. Emmanuel Lasker,world champion 1894-1921. He was the first player to practice psychology on his opponents,and always won when it was all on the line. |
| anaxagoras 3/21/2004 15:07:24 [ report this post ] | Message: Thank goodness someone finally said "Morphy." Steinitz and Nimzovitch deserve some representation here too. The two most important criteria for such a list would be, I suggest: The accomplishments of world championship or indespensable contribution to theory. And I still doubt I could make a fair list of only ten. How would you further narrow the field? |
| invincible1 3/21/2004 21:26:23 [ report this post ] | my list Message: I know very little actrually when it comes to greats of all time. But I would very much want to learn more about all of them... Still the names that come to my mind are Robert James Fischer (my favourite), Alekhine, Tal, Kasparov, Anand (I have to add this ;-) ).. and currently the greatest chess player is Me!!! |
| ccmcacollister 3/22/2004 22:59:13 [ report this post ] | Anax ....Oh how true... Message: Morphy is another I'd like to have on my list. I used to be a big Morphy-head. Till deciding I had more trouble understanding Pillsbury's games. I'd liketo get GM Mednis on my list somewhere too. He's played some pretty cool tactical stuff at times. And Anderssen. And Schlecter ... so underated after getting the "draw Master" reputation. Perhaps not quite brilliant enough to go nutsy, but did uphold the old Masters' traditions to die destitute & somewhat strangely. |
| fmgaijin 3/22/2004 23:57:24 [ report this post ] | Those Who Taught Me Message: The players who taught me the most through their games and/or annotations: 1. Harry Nelson Pillsbury 2. Aron Nimzovitch 3. Alexander Alekhine 4. Robert J. Fischer 5. Paul Morphy 6. Mikhail Tal 7. Jose Capablanca 8. Akiba Rubinstein 9. Gary Kasparov 10. Lajos Portisch NOTE: IMHO, Pillsbury, Rubinstein, and Keres were the strongest players who never got a shot at the WC. Were I younger, no doubt more "current" players would be on my list, but I don't study enough these days to learn from the "young" masters. |
| anaxagoras 3/23/2004 09:15:55 [ report this post ] | Message: Any historians of chess out there? Here's another good one: Siegbert Tarrasch. The lack of his name in any list here is evidence of myopia. Although he was not the most dynamic player, it was through his labor that ideas about chess gained the character of knowledge. |
| myway316 3/23/2004 15:31:16 [ report this post ] | And what about... Message: ...Steinitz? If it hadn't been for him,chess.as we know,play,and understand it today,would not exist. |
| nivag18 3/23/2004 16:04:07 [ report this post ] | no such thing... Message: I don't mean to be a spoilsport but I don't think there is such a thing as the greatest of anything of all time...All of these great players had their bad days and good. If you catch someone on a bad day he won't be as great as he usually is... the way I see it anyway... |
| ccmcacollister 3/23/2004 17:05:48 [ report this post ] | nivag18 Message: Hi Gavin, While that IS true. Some like Capablanca it seems, almost Never Had a "Bad Day"; with a 10 year stretch where he LOST only ONE GAME ! For him, a Bad-Day was getting a couple draws too many and winding up in 2nd Place. (Nothing like MY Bad-Day in Chess, I'll tell you ... once losing 86 Elo points in a single 2 day, 5-Round OTB event !!) Wouldn't you too like to have a few of Capa's bad-days ?! I know that I would ... [8-D ..... Regards, Craig A.C. |
| chessnovice 3/23/2004 19:53:26 [ report this post ] | ... Message: ccmcacollister hit it right on the nose as to why I chose Capa. You have no choice but to respect a man who goes 10 years without losing a game. The only regret I have for my list is omitting Lasker, who lasted as champion much longer than anyone else could. |
| bluebabygirl 3/23/2004 22:30:21 [ report this post ] | Greatest??? Message: As bad as I want to say the Super,fantastic ,incredible ,tremendous talent/genius Akiba Rubinstein ,greatest endgame player to ever take a breath not to mention destroying hundreds of Rooks !!! :I must say Robert James Fischer. That hurt!!! 1.Robert James Fischer 2. Akiba Rubinstein 3. Emanuel Lasker 4.CAPA 5. TAL 6.David Bronstein // genius and most creative ever!! 7.Paul Keres -Estonian - What a talent !!!!!! KASP ,KARP, KAMSK,ANAND ,SHIROV ok.ok. my first 3 are correct ,after that I went with favorites . Morphy ,Pillsbury and Rudolph Charousek. Hey couldn't keep sentiment out of it . A chess player without passion is a dead duck!!--BBG |
| macheide 3/24/2004 03:58:18 [ report this post ] | IMHO Message: If it were possible to give them all, the same chances, trainers, study, theory, etc. JOS� RA�L CAPABLANCA Y GRAUPERA As I said: IMHO. Thanks. |
| tyekanyk 3/24/2004 11:56:46 [ report this post ] | another name... Message: That I forgot to mention and it sems that everyone else did as well, Vassily Smyslov (not sure about the spelling). He was also a very gifted Opera singer, not to mention that he played some beautiful chess throught his very long career, he died only a couple of years ago. Another name that also has gone unmentioned is Larsen, who by the way was also a violin player. He sure did make a name for himself back in the 80's, until he was crushed by Fischer in the Candidate's Match. By the way commodore, who are Cambell and Hamarat? |
| atrifix 3/24/2004 13:18:50 [ report this post ] | IMHO Message: 1. Fischer 2. Kasparov 3. Tal 4. Alekhine 5. Morphy 6. Botvinnik 7. Lasker 8. Smyslov 9. Capablanca 10. Philidor Fittingly, the two that just missed my list: 11. Reshevsky 12. Keres |
| deuce 3/24/2004 17:15:23 [ report this post ] | hold up!!! Message: .. the list should go like this: 1. Kasparov 2. Spassky 3. Capablanca 4. Fischer 5. Morphy remember |
| blindio 3/25/2004 01:16:38 [ report this post ] | tyekanyk Message: If Smyslov is dead, then who is this? www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid= Oh, by the way, it was his 83rd birthday yesterday. Happy birthday Vasily Vasilievich! |
| bluebabygirl 3/25/2004 06:28:11 [ report this post ] | to-MY PREVIOUS LIST Message: Amendment number 1. Slap me for forgetting Viktor L. Korchnoi Amendment number 2. ha! Everybody forgot Tigran V. Petrosian ,of course not everybody would choose him but he does rank somewhere in top twenty. AND POSSIBLY MANY WOULD LOVE TO FORGET HIM!! Amendment number 3. Reuben Fine , his play was o so fine. --BBG |
| gibo 3/27/2004 02:33:53 [ report this post ] | Message: best 10 of all time in my opinion 1.Fischer 2.Kasparov 3.Alekhine 4.Karpov 5.Anand 6.Botvink 7.Capablance 8.Kramnkik 9.Tal 10.Lasker 8.Lasker |
| iron_flower 3/30/2004 06:41:00 [ report this post ] | Max Euwe Message: And where is Max Euwe, the only world champion the Netherlands ever had? I miss him at the top-10 lists.... |
| slowdive 3/31/2004 10:59:21 [ report this post ] | my favorites Message: My favorite chess player has always been Kramnik since I played him on-line in 1996. I'd guess that Kasparov is the greatest of all time, though. Fischer, a close second. He could have been the best. |
| bluebabygirl 3/31/2004 11:21:48 [ report this post ] | slowdive Message: I too agree that Kramnik is a superb player ,truly GREAT! I totally disagree with your comment on Fischer. Could have been the best??? I say Fischer at his best could have played a simul against Kramnik ,KASP,Karp and Spassky. The result 1 draw against Kasp ,wins against the others. Fischer in his prime at his best was a CHESSGOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As far as genius goes only Rubinstein and Capablanca approached him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| peppe_l 3/31/2004 11:56:16 [ report this post ] | My list Message: Kasparov, Karpov, Fischer, Botvinnik, Alekhine, Capablanca, Lasker, Steinitz, Morphy, Philidor Of course, usually "10 greatest players" = "my 10 favourite players" :-) But I TRIED to be objective :-))) |
| slowdive 4/01/2004 07:07:10 [ report this post ] | Fischer Message: I only meant that Fischer could have accomplished much more than Kasparov or anyone by staying in the game longer. He could have dominated chess for a much longer time. I don't think he ever reached his potential. |
| drunken_rabbit 4/04/2004 03:03:23 [ report this post ] | Fischer Message: "He stood looking out of the window in the Loftleider Hotel...In a rather weak moment, when Fischer was looking out of the window and said...'The only thing I can do is to play chess'...and he seemed rather sad, but then there came a smile on his face, and he smiled and said 'But I do that rather well' He is ( been ) the greatest!! |
| werwolf 4/04/2004 09:21:20 [ report this post ] | My top 10 Message: 1)Alekhine 2)Lasker 3)Kasparov 4)Botvinnik 5)Fischer 6)Petrosian 7)Tal 8)Korchnoi 9)Nimzovich 10)Rubinstein |
| bucklehead 4/04/2004 10:28:01 [ report this post ] | I can no longer restrain myself Message: OK, good topic, good response from the community...but I'm just so tired of seeing the old "Fischer, Kasparov, Capablanca" stuff. I therefore offer my list in strict accordance with ccmcacollister's instructions: "YOUR TOP 10." So here goes (in no particular order): a) Richard Reti: Incomparable theorist, strong player, and extremely absent-minded. He should be included in this list if only for his famous 1924 win vs Capablanca. b) Gioachino Greco: Come on, give the man back his gambit. What were they thinking, renaming it to honor a loser like Nimzo? (PS: All hail Nimzo) c) Alexander Dmitrievich Petrov: I'm tired of hearing all the slams against this guy's opening. Geez, all he did was rehabilitate a system that had been snickered at for three centuries and turn it into a grandmaster-level weapon. Heck, I did that just this morning with the Van't Kruijs. d) Milan Vidmar: Because I can't get enough of this guy's name. Milan Vidmar, Milan Vidmar... e) Bonus Socius: Author of a 13th century chess manuscript and an innovator in coordinate notation. And since in later life I have come to despise the descriptive notation I was once scared to give up, I say, Bonus! f) Caliph Harun ar-Rashid: Come on, there's got to be at least *one* Arab on this list, and this guy is reported to have played a correspondence game against the Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus. I believe he was a fan of the "Pharaoh's Fortress" opening. g) Ludek Pachman: Gotta love it when a long-time Soviet stooge manages to bust out from behind the Iron Curtain and start badmouthing the system. Plus, he managed to stay deluded almost until his death about the chessplaying ability of computers. h) Whoever the guy was inside "The Turk." i) John Miles Cochrane: Because I love the man's gambit, I really do. j) Geza Maroczy: Binding Sicilian players since 1894, and that's no bad thing. Meeeeeelaaaan Vidmaaaaar...roll it around in your mouth like a fine wine. You'll see. |
| chris21 4/06/2004 07:13:16 [ report this post ] | My favourites! Message: 1. Kasparov 2. Judit Polgar 3. Fischer 4. Capablanca 5. Tal |
| fischessr 4/06/2004 11:26:11 [ report this post ] | My (personal) list Message: 1. Bobby Fischer. 2. Peter Leko. 3. Garry Kasparov. 4. Bent Larsen. 5. Paul Morphy. 6. Richard Reti. 7. Alexander Alekhine. 8. Pal Benko. 9. Aron Nimzovitch. 10. Wilhelm Steinitz/ Mikhael Botvinnik (can't really decide there :P ). |
| macheide 4/12/2004 00:47:44 [ report this post ] | A little piece of trivia stuff... Message: Who said once: "It is remarkable, you never seem to make a mistake"? Answer: Emmanuel Lasker (World Champion for 27 years!), of Capablanca, after the latter beat him in a ten-game match at lightning chess. Post scriptum: By the way, do you know that Capablanca was never checkmated? Regards, Andr�s macheide |
| ccmcacollister 4/12/2004 03:31:49 [ report this post ] | Macheide ....Interesting re: Message: Capa. In follow-up I wonder if anyone ever got close enough to blurt out "Mate-in-six ! Or such, before Capa could resign ? I Kind of doubt it, with the so very small losses he had ! I Can't recall now who said it. Seems like it was from the 1900-1950 crowd of GM's. And very well known, still I like the saying "I have never defeated a healthy opponent!". :) |
| bluebabygirl 4/12/2004 06:52:38 [ report this post ] | to ccmca Message: As to who said that, I think it was Robert James Fischer. I can not remember exactly but I read it in a book about Fischer.-BBG |
| macheide 4/12/2004 12:06:29 [ report this post ] | ccmcaollister Message: Dear friend, bluebabygirl is right. It was Bobby Fischer. By the way, it's one of my favorite Fischer's anecdotes. I use to mention it in similar situations, because I never, ever give excuses when I lose, because I hate to hear them when I win. Regards, Andr�s macheide |
| sr_ajedrez 4/22/2004 22:19:45 [ report this post ] | I just love them all Message: one have to be thank full for them all coulndt make a pick if i wanted to regards |
| estonian 5/04/2004 02:31:11 [ report this post ] | Message: My top three favorite players are: 1. Paul Keres ! 2. Bobby Fischer 3. Capablanca |
| perro_feo 5/04/2004 05:57:35 [ report this post ] | I went with Favorites Message: Not necessarily strongest... 1.Bobby Fischer 2.Spassky 3.Bronstein 4.Capablanca 5.Karpov 6.Alekhine 7. Leonid Stein 8. Timman 9. Mecking 10. Najdorf |
| mrendgame 5/05/2004 12:13:33 [ report this post ] | Message: My Favorite Player....... 1. Mikhail Tal 2. Harry Pillsbury 3. Spassky 4. Bobby Fischer 5. Karpov 6. Capablanca 7. Rudolph Spileman 8. Alekhine 9. Judit Polgar |
| baseline 5/05/2004 15:12:25 [ report this post ] | Message: 1. Capablanca 2. Kasparov 3. Fischer 4. Lasker 5. Botvinnik 6. Anand 7. Alekhine 8. Karpov 9. Kramnik 10. Steinitz |
| cairo 5/06/2004 02:47:16 [ report this post ] | Question Message: Greatest Chessplayer Ever ?! by ccmcacollister is not likely to ever be answer 100%. However like everyone else, I have my personal favorites: 1/2. Fischer/Kasparov 3/4. Capablanca/Alekhine 5/6/7. Larsen/Karpov/Anand 8/9. Nimzowitsch/Botvinnik 10/11/12. Petrosian/Kramnik/Rubinstein 13/14/15. Tal/Zukertort/Morphy 16/17/18. Reti/Euwe/Stein 19/20/21. Spassky/Leko/Kortchnoi 22/23/24. Lasker/Keres/Topolov 25. Tarrasch Best wishes Cairo |
| pebbles 5/06/2004 08:55:27 [ report this post ] | Favorites Message: Keres Tartakower Steinitz Euwe Aljechin Capablanca Korchnoi (most experienced player of all time) Kasparov Dworakowska Radziewicz |
| ir0nh0rse 5/11/2004 20:34:21 [ report this post ] | Greatest? Message: The greatest player of all time is Kasparov because he has had the chance to learn from all past players but he will be eclipsed by a better player. The player that inovated the most for his/her time I would say was Morphy, not to mention he never studied and actively tried not to be a professional player. He also challenged the best in the world with pawn and move. |
| baseline 5/12/2004 05:47:02 [ report this post ] | ir0nh0rse Message: As a lad, Morphy studied everything on chess he could get his hands on, and he was well versed on the opening theory of his time. From the Italian School Greco and assoc. we had learned the value of rapid development from La Bourdonnais to fight for control of the center and the amazing combinational art of Andersen. Morphy's talent was his ability to wed these idea's into a style of play that was greater than the sum of the parts. |
| ketchuplover 5/12/2004 06:52:15 [ report this post ] | Message: My brain sucks :( |
| kangoldemancha 5/12/2004 18:34:40 [ report this post ] | Message: The best chess player would have to be me By far I could beat Kasparov any day. |
| cep2eu 5/14/2004 09:56:20 [ report this post ] | Morphy and Fischer Message: The funny thing is that Fischer believed that if Morphy had been brought to the second half of the 20th century by a time mashine, he would have beaten all the top chessplayers of that time. It's the very thing that some people say about Fischer now. It's a pity we don't have time mashines. |
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