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| shadowbane0117 5/01/2004 15:33:02 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Jeapordy Chess QuestionMessage: I was watching jeapordy a while ago and they asked the question: What does the word checkmate mean? I was curious to see how many people acually know the answer to this question. Now i know. |
| ketchuplover 5/01/2004 15:44:22 [ report this post ] | Message: I believe the correct response is "What is The King is dead"? I bid everything Alex :) |
| kai_sim 5/01/2004 15:48:02 [ report this post ] | what is Message: no way out? i bid $1 |
| shadowbane0117 5/01/2004 15:53:40 [ report this post ] | Wait Message: Wait for a few more answers then i'll tell you. |
| baseline 5/01/2004 16:28:52 [ report this post ] | Message: Checkmate is derived from the Persian; shah meaning king & mat meaning helpless or defeated. |
| os5213 5/01/2004 18:16:41 [ report this post ] | Jeapordy Chess Question Message: This is an interesting question. Were I a contestant on that show I would have replied that checkmate is a position where a king is in check and there is no saving move. The actual word Checkmate may come from the old Persian phrase "shah manad", meaning "the king is helpless". Some think it comes from "shah mat" meaning "the kind is dead," but how can that be? The king never dies in chess; he is trapped in a checkmate from which he cannot escape, not killed. That is pershaps the chief unique identifier of chess. I guess when you're on a quiz show, you can know too much and not get the right answer. I'll be interested in hearing what the the answer was that Alec accepted. Regards, Oliver |
| shadowbane0117 5/01/2004 18:46:18 [ report this post ] | Neat, but Message: The answer was "shah mat", or, "the king is dead". Although the king never dies in chess, he must when he is in Checkmate. |
| baseline 5/01/2004 19:46:41 [ report this post ] | Neat, but Message: Thats the TV Show Jeopardy. I always thought it meant "the king is dead" also until I looked it up in "The Oxford Companion to Chess" which gives "The word is derived from the Persian shah, meaning king, and mat, meaning helpless or defeated." Could mat also mean dead in Persian? I wonder. |
| aqeel 5/02/2004 07:43:04 [ report this post ] | its Shah Maat Message: To maat means to defeat.. |
| aqeel 5/02/2004 07:43:41 [ report this post ] | or infact Message: baseline has already answered that.. |
| messiry 5/02/2004 09:36:23 [ report this post ] | Mat means dead in arabic Message: Ki shaah (arabic) = cover or protect the king = check mat (arabic) = dead and this is a reply to check (no place to go to, or can not be protected) |
| baseline 5/02/2004 14:05:39 [ report this post ] | thank you messiry Message: I can see the natural progression. Chess is believed to have spread from India to Persia and from there it became popular through out the near east. The Persian Shah Maat "the king is defeated" became Ki shaah mat "the king is dead" and it is from the Arab world that Europe received the game. It's interesting that along with chess much of the classical Greek and Roman knowledge and learning which had been lost to Europe during the dark ages were preserved and reintroduced by the Arabs. A truly wonderful gift. |
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