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| benigigli 7/18/2004 15:30:01 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: K vs. N, B, & KMessage: In one of my games, I'm down to a lone K. My opponenet has a N, B, & K. I thought mate was not possible with this combination, and that the system would automatically call it a stalemate. Or am I wrong? Is mate possible for him? |
| basti1981 7/18/2004 15:33:40 [ report this post ] | you are wrong Message: the Combination of King, Bishop and Knight can mate a blank King in less than 50 moves. But it's quite complicated imo. |
| v_glorioso12 7/18/2004 15:41:11 [ report this post ] | its possible Message: you just need to know the pattern and something about the corner square color and the bishop color... i dont know, i forgot it :-S |
| muppyman 7/18/2004 15:48:09 [ report this post ] | yes its possible Message: I can supply you with exact details of the technique for it but I wont do that here because it could give your opponent an unfair advantage. In fact he or she already has been given such advantage already simply by having your question answered here at all. I say this because it's possible that your opponent may have been unaware that the game can be a forced win. Although you were doubtless seeking help for yourself it also helps your opponent when you seek advice about an unfinished game in this forum. |
| muppyman 7/18/2004 16:03:43 [ report this post ] | rules Message: the rules of this site strictly forbid members from seeking help from other players while a game is in progress,although we are free to seek seek help to analyse the game after it is finished. It would be interesting to know how the site administrator might feel about a member asking for information which can help only the opponent :)) |
| benigigli 7/18/2004 16:08:13 [ report this post ] | K vs. N, B, & K Message: Thanks to all. Especially muppyman! I don't want to know the technique at this point. Once I have been defeated, or pull a draw by playing 50 more moves, I may contact you for the info, & provide you with the name of my opponent so you can verify. Thanks again. |
| basti1981 7/18/2004 16:08:39 [ report this post ] | well yes and no Message: actually I don't think that the simple answer yes, is such a big help for his opponent, since I don't give any advice how to mate, and since it's a cc game, he's allowed to use a book that explains the technique anyhow. |
| basti1981 7/18/2004 16:14:30 [ report this post ] | btw. Vince Message: how was the tournament, in which you wanted to participate and seeked some advice here about diet |
| v_glorioso12 7/18/2004 19:34:02 [ report this post ] | well Message: i would say it was good, but i didnt go :-D... we sorta didnt get enough money to go, so mabye next year if my parents win the lottery... :-\ |
| muppyman 7/18/2004 20:45:27 [ report this post ] | basti Message: I agree with you basti that a simple yes is not necessarily a big help to the opponent, and certainly members are allowed to consult books in full accordance with the rules of cc. Its not the answers that are frowned on, it's the questions seeking assistance from other people that are explicitly forbidden as I interpret the membership rules. The other kind of help that such situations give to the opponent is the fact that he might be able to claim a win in the game by adjudication if he can demonstrate that the site rules have been breached, even if it was unintentional. In my view that would be indeed definite help. |
| benigigli 7/18/2004 21:46:02 [ report this post ] | administration already notified Message: After posting my question & read muppyman's reply; I realized that my posting was a breach of rules. I don't wish to jeopardize my priveledge of playing on this excellent site, & thought it best to mention the error to the webmaster myself. I've offered to resign the game if he wishes me to. I sincerely regret the error. |
| bonsai 7/19/2004 02:39:43 [ report this post ] | Message: Well, to some extent it was also a rules question i.e. "Is K vs. K+B+N not a draw according to the rules?" and those questions are surely okay. I suspect it's not too serious really. |
| basti1981 7/19/2004 06:10:34 [ report this post ] | hum, rules or not rules Message: some interpretations of the rules lead imho to some very strange results; what should the result of such a question be? Should the game be drawn? I don't think so. Just imagine another situation, I'm down to an endgame K vs. K+R, it's a basic ending, but I decide to ask this question in the forum, if it's lost (fully aware of the fact). If I get a response I'll claim it's a draw, since my opponent might not have noticed it's a win. My opponent on the other hand will claim, that he was fully aware of the fact, that it's a simple win, so how can anyone proof his or her claim? It's not an accusation against anybody, it's just meant as an example of to what strange results, some very strict interpretations of rules might lead. @Vince Sorry to hear that, might be next year. |
| muppyman 7/19/2004 15:01:12 [ report this post ] | benigigly Message: I am not qualified to say wheter or not the site rules were breached, only admin can really decide that. I agree with Bonsai that it was not a serious situation and I sincerely hope that you will be able to play out the game to it's conclusion. Good fortune to you and may you enjoy many years of enjoyable chess on this site. :) |
| mormel12 7/20/2004 00:06:16 [ report this post ] | benigigli Message: no need to give your opponents name. you're not playing that many games, so it's very easy to find out the gamenumber:) just that you aware of that fact:) greetings |
| benigigli 7/22/2004 12:46:05 [ report this post ] | izs26 got me! Message: I don't know yet if he did it by "the text" or not. But he just checkmated me. |
| jstack 7/22/2004 12:56:37 [ report this post ] | just curious...asking all Message: How many times have you been involved in a position when only Bishop, knight King and your opponents king remain? And what about 2 bishops versus the king? |
| muppyman 7/22/2004 14:14:49 [ report this post ] | probably never Message: most of us might go a lifetime without encountering the position, but I think it's worthwhile to know what to do in such a rare circumstance. In the case of two bishops v king of course the forced mate is much easier. ( assuming the bishops are of opposite colour) I remember deliberately promoting pawns to bishops in friendly across the board games so that I could practice that ending. :) |
| basti1981 7/24/2004 10:03:57 [ report this post ] | Agree with muppyman Message: you'll face an K+N+B vs. K ending maybe once in a lifetime, so I don't think you'll see that endgame again ;) |
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