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| masros 9/29/2004 08:02:32 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Anybody know?Message: Just curios,does anybody know who's quote this is?.Is it Tartakower? "No one ever won a game by resigning" |
| pandemona 9/29/2004 09:05:39 [ report this post ] | Message: I've seen this attributed to Israel Albert Horowitz. |
| muppyman 9/29/2004 13:32:55 [ report this post ] | unknown Message: A search of Google shows this quote as being of unknown origin. This is in a very very long list of quotations from mostly well known Grandmasters. |
| fmgaijin 9/29/2004 15:53:07 [ report this post ] | Actually . . . Message: some Internet sources credit Tartakower while others give the source as "unknown." I don't have all of T.'s books, but it's not in the ones I have, so who knows? |
| ccmcacollister 9/29/2004 16:40:53 [ report this post ] | And strangely enough ... Message: it is likely to be untrue. I seem to recall a postal Chess org or tournament that would, in the event of an early withdrawal, credit all that player's opponents as having won, & retroactively if they had Resigned ! |
| fmgaijin 9/29/2004 20:29:01 [ report this post ] | See Also Sousse 1967 Message: Since Fischer (leading by a wide margin) withdrew one game before finishing half of his games, all of the players he had beaten and drawn were retroactively credited with wins--same principle. |
| philaretus 9/30/2004 03:42:45 [ report this post ] | What's it supposed to mean,... Message: ....anyway? That you should never resign? We've all had experience of opponents who won't resign even when reduced to a bare King against King and Queen, and very annoying they are. Don't encourage people like that. As to the saying itself, the unidiomatic "nobody ever won", instead of "nobody has ever won", implies that it was probably an American of Yiddish-speaking origin. |
| soikins 9/30/2004 05:23:32 [ report this post ] | philaretus Message: Or someone who first tranlated it was an American of Yiddish-speaking origin. |
| philaretus 9/30/2004 05:52:16 [ report this post ] | Under the influence.... Message: .....of non-English idioms, Americans no longer distinguish between the perfect and the simple past tense. For instance, they say of somebody who has just gone, "He went", as though it happened a long time ago. :( |
| muppyman 9/30/2004 14:52:03 [ report this post ] | Interesting, Message: It's a bit like George Patton's "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country, you win wars by making some other poor bastard die for his country" To me it seems to imply that one of the best ways to have winning chances is to ensure you don't get into a position where you have to resign. |
| muppyman 9/30/2004 15:00:13 [ report this post ] | philaretus Message: For one so erudite you appear to be happy to lump all Americans with universal lack of appropriate usage of English idiom, I wonder what the average Cockney would tell me if I asked for a definition of pluperfect tense. |
| ccmcacollister 9/30/2004 16:47:38 [ report this post ] | You mean I should say.... Message: I has gone to play Chess in the luu ? My Chess has gone to the luu, and it went there too! I think I have gotten it. If I may say "it". Isn't there all too much "it" in the world? I think thats why GK replaces "it" with **?! |
| muppyman 9/30/2004 17:39:38 [ report this post ] | as for me, Message: I simply cannot contain my impatience until the day arrives when "I shall have won a game by resigning." :) |
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