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| gibo 11/18/2004 02:59:52 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Something sharp and double edgedMessage: Throughout my chess career as black i've played the sicilian kan, and the nimzo indian, to white's two main openings. I want to change this, partly just for the sake of change, and also because my opponents otb are now catching on to what im playing and can prepare. I'm looking for something double edged and sharp, against e4, that's why I really liked the sicilian kan, give black good play and many player's don't know this lesser sicilian system. I really liked the nimzo because it is so simple to understand, the positional squeeze on white, is also a pleasure to execute when done properly. Also I found this opening to give black excellent winning chances. I'm looking for two new system, against e4 and d4, with these sharp and double edged play in them, preferably tactial, does anyone have any ideas to help me |
| pandemona 11/18/2004 03:45:31 [ report this post ] | Have you looked at Message: 1.d4 f5, the Dutch? |
| philaretus 11/18/2004 05:52:48 [ report this post ] | Message: I've never found ANY defence against 1.d4 that worked for me. All right, perhaps I should be saying "that I could get to work for me", instead of blaming my tools for my bad workmanship, but I don't have similar problems with 1.e4, against which I've always played the French Defence. Is there a defence against 1.d4 that's as solid as the French Defence against 1.e4? |
| ibeben 11/18/2004 07:08:46 [ report this post ] | Defense Message: Hey all! A defence against 1. d4 or e4?? I might have a suggestion....try the Lion! In the region where I live (Holland) this opening is a great succes. There are a number of books written about, for black as well as for white. The beginning is as follows: 1. d4\e4 d6 2. e4\d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nbd7 After this there are a number of variations... If anyone is interested I could give some games with this variant. Also an internet-adress (in dutch) or an e-mail adress are possible. Cheers Ibeben |
| cryptos 11/18/2004 09:52:17 [ report this post ] | suggestion against 1.d4. Message: Main line queen's gambit ideas (eg the slav or semi-slav) are pretty solid (and in my opinion dull) against 1.d4. The Leningrad dutch is probably worth a try as well. The King's Indian is a bit risky, in my opinion, although it probably gives you better winning chances than the other openings. Against 1.e4 I play the sicilian, but prefer the Najdorf to the Kan as you can sometimes play e5 in one go and it's probably the more attacking opening. Oh, and I think you can play 1...e6 (french defence) against d4 as well as e4, not too sure on that one. Hope this helps, Cryptos. PS. ibeben, I'm definitely interested in your 'Lion' idea. |
| zucan 11/18/2004 09:57:45 [ report this post ] | Benko Message: I would look at the Benko Gambit as well, which would be 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5. It gives Black a good position for the sacrifice of one or two pawns. Zucan |
| wellhairedbeast 11/18/2004 12:38:36 [ report this post ] | Message: That lions defense looks like a pirc to me, or at least would lead into some variation of it Speaking of which, have a look at the pirc against e4. Blacks moves are usually d6 nf6 g6 bg6 0-0 or some variant of that. |
| wulebgr 11/18/2004 13:49:37 [ report this post ] | I second the Benko suggestion: Message: www.angelfire.com/poetry/wulebgr/leveretthouse.htm is an annotated game using the Volga Gambit. It is sharp, often tactical, and many players have no idea how to proceed against it. |
| philaretus 11/18/2004 15:55:26 [ report this post ] | The Lion Message: It seems to lead either to the Hanham Variation of Philidor's Defence, or to the Pirc, depending on whether Black plays e5 or g6. |
| premium_steve 11/18/2004 18:05:09 [ report this post ] | Message: I suggest the Budapest against d4... it is very easy to learn the ideas, but difficult to really obtain an advantage. my main reason for liking this opening is that it leads to an open game where black develops his pieces quickly. white might like to play his bishop to c4 in the open game, but cannot because his pawn is there. my favorite variation is this one: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 Ng4 4.Bf4 g5* (instead of more common Nc6 - the intention with 4...g5 is to develop the king bishop on the longer diagonal on the next move) white plays 4.Nf3 a lot instead of 4.Bf4. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 it is important to focus on the e5 pawn. its capture might be necessary to provide an escape route for the knight moreso than obtaining material equality. the knight has few squares after h3. a pawn might be sacrificed for it also - a pawn push with e6 or f6. |
| ibeben 11/19/2004 02:49:58 [ report this post ] | philaretus is right... Message: It could all result in an pirc.... But the idea for black is to NOT let this result in an pirc. There are a couple of variants, in most of them, I have to do some research because I personally never play it. But one of, the somewhat lesser, main line is 1. e4\d4 d6 2. d4\e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nbd7 4. f4 e5 5. f*e5 d*e5 6. d*e5 N*e5 7. Q*d8 K*d8 and, accoriding to the writers of the book, Black could keep this ending a draw, or even win it. I will look into some of the variants and post them right here. Maybe even a game from my own hand :) Cheers Ibeben |
| peppe_l 11/19/2004 03:12:29 [ report this post ] | But as far as I know Message: The line you gave is from Philidor defense (1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nd7 3.Nc3 Ngf6 4.f4 e5). Plus after 7.Qxd8 Kxd8 it can hardly be called "sharp and double-edged" :-) |
| ibeben 11/19/2004 04:47:57 [ report this post ] | That's True Message: But as I said, that is the variant I play against the lion, because I don't know the variations. Also, I said, I will sort out some of the variations and post the results here. I do know some of the more basic kind of ideas, like "the lionclaw" B*f7 and "de leeuwenmuil" (=dutch) were black attacs with g6 and h5. In my opnion you can call that "sharp and double edged". Results are coming soon. because for now I do not want to post wrong or incomplete variations. Cheers |
| ibeben 11/19/2004 05:00:53 [ report this post ] | A short Link Message: Hey all, I found a link to a short review of the book: www.chess.it/libri/4669.htm www.niggemann.com/Buecher/7504.html Just copy - paste and enjoy! Cheers |
| deputy1 11/19/2004 06:58:10 [ report this post ] | Message: it loks to as one could transpose into a old indian defense with that particular opening 1d4 d6 2c4 Nf6 3Nc3 Nb-d7 e5 I might be wrong though John Hamer |
| philaretus 11/19/2004 10:51:19 [ report this post ] | And the Old Indian... Message: ....is dire. Black is like a trussed-up chicken waiting to have his neck wrung. |
| ibeben 12/27/2004 09:33:21 [ report this post ] | Link.... Message: Hey all!! Im sorry it took so very long, but I am very busy with school and stuff but I have found something about the lion.... It's a new site dedicated to this opening and just opened... www.thelion.nl It's language is eiher english or dutch.... Have fun with it :D Cheers Ibeben |
| azaris 12/27/2004 14:54:52 [ report this post ] | Black should not force things Message: I'm of the increasing opinion that it's not a good idea to play borderline unsound openings as Black. Yes, you will sometimes escape with a quick win as Black playing the Latvian Gambit, Budapest Gambit or Albin Countergambit. But against better players, taking such risks usually results in a worse endgame. And the second-worst thing to getting a lost position from an opening is grinding through a lost endgame. Also, playing conservatively as Black will teach you positional play, defending and patience. If you can get comfortable playing against things like mainline Ruy Lopez, QGD and throw in a Sicilian, you'll present lots of trouble for most players in your class. You'll also learn a lot more about chess than by memorizing traps in some obscure line. That having said, if you're already familiar with the Nimzo-Indian and Sicilian Kan, I'd recommend you look into variations in those openings that promise sharper play. I'm not familiar with Kan, but two sharp lines in the Nimzo-Indian are: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Bg5 c5 5. d5 h6 6. Bh4 Nxd5 7. Bxd8 Nxc3 8. Qb3 Ne4+ 9. Kd1 Nxf2+ 10. Kc2 Kxd8 11. Qg3 Nxh1 12. Qxg7 unclear 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 d5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. Qxc3 Ne4 7. Qc2 Nc6 8. e3 e5 9. cxd5 Qxd5 10. Bc4 Qa5+ 11. b4 Nxb4 12. Qxe4 Nc2+ 13. Ke2 Qe1+ 14. Kf3 Nxa1 15. Bb2 unclear OK, maybe these are pathologically weird but there are other perhaps more suitable. |
| chrisp 12/28/2004 03:55:06 [ report this post ] | Unsound openings??? Message: To some degree, I agree with what azaris has to say. However, to call openings such as Latvian Gambit and Budapest Gambit 'unsound' is a bit inaccurate to say the least. Both the above openeings are totally sound against players of any strength. It may be that if white gets everything correct then they may result in an ending which slightly favours (but is not a winning position). This is true of virtually any opening if white plays correctly. I sometimes play both Latvian and Budapet Gambits, and would recommend them to anybody who wants to get away from normal openings and enjoys some interesting games. Also consider Schliemann variation of the Ruy Lopez. Cheers chrisp |
| groove 12/28/2004 09:00:41 [ report this post ] | Scandinavian Message: Try the scandinavian against 1.e4. I've been learning and using it a bit lately and am starting to really enjoy it. It's very easy to learn, and the middlegame strategies are not very complex. Also, it tends to catch people off guard who might not have prepared very well for it. Yes, I realize the fundamental complaints against it being that moving the Queen twice is theoretically unsound, but the reality is that it very rarely translates into an advantage for white unless you are a 2000+ player. Even then, there are plenty of masters who are using this opening. So, try 1.e4 ...d5 and see if you like it. |
| groove 12/28/2004 09:03:59 [ report this post ] | Against 1.d4 Message: I tend to enjoy the dutch or stonewall defense against 1.d4. I also will use a reverse English Botvinnik setup on occassion when white permits it. They are all pretty easy to learn and are solid against 1.d4 even if you don't play against it very often. The disadvantage is that I find them to be pretty drawish. The only setup that I tend to consistently get more wins with is the reverse Botvinnik. I absolutely love that configuration. |
| groove 12/28/2004 09:06:14 [ report this post ] | Against 1.e4 Message: You could try Sicilian Accelerated Dragon if you are a sicilian lover. I find this an exciting opening, and one that I'm most familiar with as black, but the disadvantage that I've found is that most white players are very prepared for the dragon and rarely make huge mistakes. The dragon is fun to play because there are many traps that you can lay for white, but I don't get many players nowadays that fall into any of them. |
| baseline 12/28/2004 22:31:59 [ report this post ] | sharp & double-edged? Message: The Kings Indian Defence and Sveshnikov Sicilian work for me. |
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