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| groove 1/07/2005 10:41:44 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: For those of you who use Fritz...Message: I've recently started having Fritz analyse and annotate my completed games. I then go through and add my own annotations and thought processes, and then save the game to my GK database. My question is this... How many seconds do you let Fritz analyse each move? The default is set to 15s, but I noticed that it was not finding many memorable alternate variations unless it was just a blatant missed tactical opportunity. I set him to 90s last night, and had him analyse one of my recent games and came back to almost too many variations this time. I think all the analysed variations are certainly usefull, but some of the more bizarre and 15+ move variations I can certainly do without considering I would rarely see any of these in a real game. Have any of you Fritz guys found an optimal setting? I think I'll try 60s tonight and see how it goes. Thanks in advance... |
| thalagor 1/07/2005 11:23:42 [ report this post ] | Message: when I use fritz to analyze a serious game I set it to either 360 or 600 seconds a move, and let it run over the night. It works fine for me |
| groove 1/07/2005 12:06:57 [ report this post ] | Message: Do you run it for both colors, or just the color that you played? Maybe I'm over reacting to the long wait times for a game to be analyzed. I suppose that is normal... I suppose I shouldn't expect anything more than 2 games a day :/ It's going to take me forever to work my way back through all my GK games. Ah well, thanks for the reply. |
| thalagor 1/07/2005 15:04:59 [ report this post ] | Message: I run it for both colours, but I only do this kind of extensive analyzis for the games that I feel are the tightest/most unclear, not for the usual "my opponent made a positional/tactical blunder which gave me clear advantage"-games. Ie often when I meet opponents over 2200 ELO I use this setting on fritz. |
| abegtrup 1/07/2005 16:03:01 [ report this post ] | Quick question... Message: Is there a shareware version of Fritz out there? (or does one have to pay $ for it?) And do you recommend it? |
| groove 1/07/2005 20:04:25 [ report this post ] | Well... Message: No, there is no shareware version of Fritz that I am aware of. The only two programs that I know of that adequately annotate and analyze an entire game is Fritz and Chessmaster. I have both and use them for different things. Chessmaster is great for it's multimedia teaching modules and slick interface. However, if you are 1600+, you probably won't get much out of the teaching modules. Fritz is more hardcore with greater analysis and many more 3rd party modules that you can incorporate into the program. It's not quite as nice looking, but it has greater features. Also, the annotation can be quite different depending on which program you use. Fritz gives a much more human like annotation and commentary on the post analyzed games. I can come back to an annotated game and feel like a human master level player has analyzed my game for me. I'm not a skilled enough player to be able to qualitatively judge whether the analysis of CM is any better than Fritz, but I'll let CM analyze/annotate a game overnight and post that along with a Fritz analysis, and you can compare the differences between them. Yes, I would very much recommend either of the programs. |
| groove 1/07/2005 20:12:02 [ report this post ] | However.... Message: Even though I prefer Fritz, I think CM has better personalities and a wider range of opponents and styles to play against if you enjoy playing computer personalities. |
| wschmidt 1/10/2005 10:54:12 [ report this post ] | Groove, Message: I would very much appreciate seeing that comparison between CM and Fritz. I've been using CM exclusively because I've never been able to figure out how to get Fritz to analyze my games. I load a game, save it, tell it to analyze, and it just sits there. I know I'm missing a step but it's not obvious to me what it is. * If I see your comparison between the two and like Fritz a lot, I may ask for help by detailing what steps I'm taking and then asking Fritz users to point out what I'm doing wrong. Thanks. ws |
| miguel_pires 1/11/2005 01:43:25 [ report this post ] | Analize with fritz Message: To analize with fritz you need to put you in the last move (i don't now if you do that). Another good thing is you have the possibility to, when you are make the anailze with fritz, select the option of reference database and he give some information of the games played with that line. Regard's Miguel Pires |
| groove 1/11/2005 06:42:56 [ report this post ] | Ok, here they are Message: Ok, I'm posting them now. I picked one of my games, not for the great play (because it wasn't), but because both black and white made several mistakes, so it gives both engines a good chance to analyze. What you'll notice with Chessmaster is that it basically just floods you with any and every possible variation. It's too much of an overload in my opinion, and it states the obvious. It's also hard to play through the variations within Chessmaster. The only way that I know of to keep Chessmaster from overloading you with these types of variations is to lower the analysis per move time. Fritz on the other hand allows you to change "threshhold" settings to where you can get all these superfluous lines if you really want to, but you have control over how detailed an alalysis that you desire. Also, Fritz is the only engine that I know of that will post lines such as "Bxc3 doesn't work due to ....." meaning that it gives traps that are wrong move sequences, but human players are very interested in seeing. I'm not sure if there are any in this game, but Fritz can do this. Anyway, I had my Fritz threshold setting for this game at the default of "30" which means that it showed "general" errors, but if I had set it for say "3", it would have filled up the screen like the Chessmaster .pgn. |
| groove 1/11/2005 06:46:34 [ report this post ] | Better Yet... Message: I'm running another Fritz analysis for 15s Threshold, and will post all three when it completes. |
| premium_steve 1/11/2005 10:33:32 [ report this post ] | Message: i can't even insert my games with fritz 7. i don't know how. i suck. |
| groove 1/11/2005 13:57:24 [ report this post ] | Chessmaster (90s) Message: [Event "Unrepentant Cardinal"] [Site "gameknot.com/chess.pl?b";] [Date "2005.01.02"] [Round "?"] [White "edgatan"] [Black "groove"] [TimeControl "-"] [Result "0-1"] [Annotator " Chessmaster (90s)"] [ECO "D00"] [WhiteELO "1630"] [BlackELO "1761"] 1.d4 {Book.} 1...d5 {Book.} 2.e3 {Score: 0.16 2...Nf6 3.Nf3 e6 4.Bd3 Nc6 5.O-O Bd7 6.c4 Nb4 7.Be2 Bd6 (Time = 0:57, Depth = 3/11)} 2...e6 {Score: 0.21 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c4 Nc6 6.Nc3 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.Bd2 (Time = 1:34, Depth = 3/12)} 3.f4 {Score: -0.28 3...Nf6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.Nc3 O-O 6.Bd3 c5 7.O-O Nc6 8.Bd2 Bd7 (Time = 1:00, Depth = 3/11)} 3...Nf6 {Score: -0.25 4.Nf3 c5 5.Be2 Nc6 6.O-O Bd6 7.c4 O-O 8.Nc3 a6 9.Bd2 (Time = 1:24, Depth = 3/11)} 4.Bd3 {Score: -0.36 4...c5 5.Nf3 c4 6.Be2 Bd6 7.O-O O-O 8.Ne5 Bd7 9.Nxd7 Nbxd7 (Time = 0:59, Depth = 3/11)} 4...c5 {Score: -0.32 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.O-O Bd6 7.b3 O-O 8.Ba3 Nb4 9.Nc3 Bd7 10.dxc5 Bxc5 (Time = 0:57, Depth = 3/11)} 5.c3 {Score: -0.54 5...Bd6 6.dxc5 Bxc5 7.b4 Bd6 8.Ne2 O-O 9.O-O a5 10.Bd2 Nc6 11.Nd4 axb4 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.cxb4 (Time = 1:27, Depth = 3/11)} 5...c4 {Score: -0.38 6.Bc2 Be7 7.Nf3 O-O 8.O-O b6 9.Nbd2 Nc6 10.b3 Ba6 11.bxc4 Qc7 12.cxd5 Bxf1 13.dxc6 (Time = 1:08, Depth = 3/12)} 6.Bc2 {Score: -0.38 6...Nc6 7.Nd2 Bd6 8.Ne2 O-O 9.O-O Bd7 10.e4 Nxe4 11.Nxe4 dxe4 12.Bxe4 f5 13.Bf3 (Time = 1:37, Depth = 3/12)} 6...Be7 {Score: -0.39 7.Nf3 O-O 8.O-O Nbd7 9.Ne5 Qc7 10.b3 Nxe5 11.fxe5 cxb3 12.axb3 Ne4 13.Bxe4 dxe4 (Time = 0:54, Depth = 3/12)} 7.Nd2 {Score: -0.38 7...O-O 8.Ne2 b5 9.O-O Bb7 10.Ng3 Nbd7 11.e4 dxe4 12.Ndxe4 Qc7 13.f5 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 3/12)} 7...O-O {Score: -0.36 8.Ne2 Nbd7 9.Ng3 b5 10.e4 dxe4 11.Ndxe4 Bb7 12.O-O Qc7 13.f5 (Time = 0:56, Depth = 3/11)} 8.Ngf3 {Score: -0.35 8...Nbd7 9.O-O b5 10.f5 Qb6 11.Qe2 Bb7 12.a4 a6 13.e4 dxe4 14.Nxe4 Nxe4 15.Bxe4 (Time = 0:54, Depth = 3/11)} 8...b5 {Score: -0.29 9.e4 dxe4 10.Nxe4 Nbd7 11.Nxf6+ Nxf6 12.O-O Bb7 13.f5 Qd7 14.Ne5 Qd6 15.fxe6 Qxe6 (Time = 1:02, Depth = 3/11)} 9.a3 {Score: -0.69 9...Bb7 10.O-O Qc7 11.Qe2 Nbd7 12.f5 Ng4 13.e4 Bg5 14.Nb1 Bxc1 15.Rxc1 Rae8 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 3/12)} ( 9.Ne5 b4 ) 9...Bb7 {Score: -0.69 10.O-O Qc7 11.Qe2 Nbd7 12.f5 Ng4 13.e4 Bg5 14.Nb1 Bxc1 15.Rxc1 Rae8 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 3/11)} 10.O-O {Score: -0.64 10...Nbd7 11.f5 Ng4 12.Qe2 Qc7 13.e4 Bg5 14.Nb1 Bxc1 15.Rxc1 dxe4 16.Bxe4 (Time = 1:09, Depth = 3/11)} 10...Ng4 {Score: -0.17 11.Qe2 Nd7 12.e4 dxe4 13.Nxe4 Qc7 14.Nfg5 h5 15.a4 a6 16.Bd2 (Time = 1:08, Depth = 3/11)} 11.Qe2 {Score: -0.08 11...Nd7 12.e4 dxe4 13.Nxe4 Qc7 14.Nfg5 Nh6 15.Bd2 Rfd8 16.Qh5 Rac8 (Time = 1:32, Depth = 3/11)} 11...f5 {Score: -0.06 12.a4 a6 13.Ng5 Bxg5 14.fxg5 Qxg5 15.Nf3 Qh5 16.h3 Nf6 17.axb5 axb5 18.Rxa8 Bxa8 19.Bd2 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 3/11)} 12.Ne5 {Score: -0.23 12...Nxe5 13.fxe5 a5 14.g4 g6 15.gxf5 exf5 16.b3 Qd7 17.bxc4 bxc4 18.Bb2 (Time = 0:59, Depth = 3/12)} 12...Nf6 {Score: -0.01 13.a4 a6 14.b3 Nc6 15.Ba3 cxb3 16.Nxc6 Bxc6 17.Bxe7 Qxe7 18.Nxb3 Rac8 19.Nc5 (Time = 1:13, Depth = 3/11)} 13.Rf3 {Score: -0.36 13...Nc6 14.Rh3 Qc7 15.Ndf3 Ne4 16.a4 a6 17.Nxc6 Bxc6 18.Ne5 bxa4 19.Qh5 (Time = 1:29, Depth = 3/12)} 13...Nc6 {Score: -0.34 14.Nxc6 Bxc6 15.Rh3 Qc7 16.Nf3 Be8 17.Ng5 Qb6 18.Bd2 Rc8 19.Qf2 Bh5 20.Nf3 (Time = 1:36, Depth = 3/12)} 14.Rh3 {Score: -0.25 14...Qc7 15.Ndf3 Ne4 16.Bd2 Bf6 17.Be1 g6 18.Nxc6 Bxc6 19.Ne5 Bg7 20.Bg3 (Time = 1:40, Depth = 3/12)} 14...Nxe5 {Score: 0.29 15.fxe5 Ng4 16.e4 dxe4 17.Nxe4 Rc8 18.Nd2 Nh6 19.a4 Qa5 20.b3 cxb3 21.Bxb3 (Time = 1:09, Depth = 3/12)} ( 14...a5 15.Rb1 ) 15.fxe5 {Score: 0.29 15...Ng4 16.e4 dxe4 17.Nxe4 Rc8 18.Nd2 Nh6 19.a4 Qa5 20.b4 cxb3ep 21.Bxb3 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 3/12)} ( 15.dxe5 Ng4 ) 15...Ne4 {Score: 0.26 16.Nxe4 fxe4 17.a4 Rf7 18.axb5 Qb6 19.b3 Qxb5 20.bxc4 Qxc4 21.Qxc4 dxc4 22.Ba3 Bg5 (Time = 0:59, Depth = 3/12)} 16.Qh5 {Score: -0.53 16...Ng5 17.Rg3 Bc6 18.b3 a5 19.Bb2 cxb3 20.Bxb3 Be8 21.Qe2 a4 22.Bc2 (Time = 0:47, Depth = 3/12)} ( 16.Nxe4 fxe4 17.Qh5 h6 ) 16...h6 {Score: 0.35 17.Nxe4 fxe4 18.a4 Rf7 19.Qg6 Bg5 20.axb5 Qf8 21.Bd2 Qe8 22.Qh5 Qxb5 (Time = 0:57, Depth = 3/11)} ( 16...Ng5 17.Rg3 Bc6 18.Qe2 ) 17.Nf3 {Score: -0.63 17...Qe8 18.Qxe8 Raxe8 19.Bd2 Kh7 20.a4 Nxd2 21.Nxd2 b4 22.cxb4 Bxb4 23.Nf3 g6 24.Rf1 Kg7 (Time = 1:29, Depth = 3/13)} ( 17.Qg6 Qe8 18.Qxe6+ Kh8 19.Nxe4 fxe4 20.Bd1 ) 17...Qe8 {Score: -0.61 18.Qxe8 Raxe8 19.Bd1 Kh7 20.Nd2 Ng5 21.Rg3 g6 22.h4 Ne4 23.Nxe4 fxe4 24.h5 Bg5 25.hxg6+ Kxg6 (Time = 1:34, Depth = 4/14)} 18.Qxe8 {Score: -0.60 18...Raxe8 19.Bd1 Kh7 20.Nd2 Ng5 21.Rg3 Rc8 22.Be2 g6 23.h4 Ne4 24.Nxe4 fxe4 25.h5 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 4/14)} 18...Rfxe8 {Score: -0.51 19.Nd2 Ng5 20.Rg3 Rf8 21.Bd1 Rad8 22.Be2 a6 23.h4 Ne4 24.Nxe4 dxe4 25.h5 Bh4 (Time = 1:46, Depth = 4/14)} 19.a4 {Score: -1.03 19...b4 20.Bd2 Kh7 21.Be1 g5 22.Bxe4 dxe4 23.Nd2 g4 24.Rg3 Bh4 25.Nxc4 Bxg3 26.Bxg3 (Time = 1:26, Depth = 3/13)} ( 19.Nd2 a5 ) 19...b4 {Score: -1.03 20.Bd2 Kh7 21.Be1 g5 22.Bxe4 dxe4 23.Nd2 g4 24.Rg3 Bh4 25.Nxc4 Bxg3 26.Bxg3 (Time = 0:55, Depth = 3/12)} 20.Bxe4 {Score: -1.33 20...fxe4 21.Ne1 Rf8 22.Bd2 Rf7 23.cxb4 Raf8 24.Nc2 Rf2 25.Rd1 Re2 26.Rg3 Bh4 27.Rh3 Bg5 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 5/14)} ( 20.cxb4 Bxb4 21.Rh5 ) 20...fxe4 {Score: -1.32 21.Ne1 Rf8 22.cxb4 Bxb4 23.Nc2 Ba5 24.Rh4 Rf7 25.Rf4 Raf8 26.Rxf7 Rxf7 27.Rb1 g6 28.b3 (Time = 1:29, Depth = 5/14)} 21.Nh4 {Score: -2.03 21...g5 22.Ng6 Bd8 23.cxb4 Kg7 24.Nf4 gxf4 25.exf4 Rh8 26.Be3 Be7 27.Bd2 Raf8 28.Rg3+ Kf7 29.Re1 (Time = 1:08, Depth = 5/14)} ( 21.Ne1 bxc3 22.bxc3 Bc6 ) 21...Kh7 {Score: -1.36 22.g4 bxc3 23.bxc3 Bc6 24.Ba3 Bxa3 25.Rxa3 Reb8 26.Ra1 Rb3 27.Ng2 Rxc3 28.Nf4 Re8 29.a5 Bd7 (Time = 1:35, Depth = 5/14)} ( 21...g5 22.Ng6 Bd8 23.cxb4 Kg7 ) 22.Bd2 {Score: -3.77 22...bxc3 23.Bxc3 g5 24.Nf3 g4 25.Rg3 gxf3 26.gxf3 exf3 27.Rf1 Rf8 28.Rgxf3 Rxf3 29.Rxf3 Rg8+ 30.Kf2 Bh4+ 31.Kf1 Rg7 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 5/14)} ( 22.g4 ) 22...g5 {Score: -3.69 23.cxb4 g4 24.Rg3 h5 25.Rf1 Rf8 26.Rxf8 Rxf8 27.Nf5 Rxf5 28.h3 Rf8 29.hxg4 (Time = 1:01, Depth = 4/13)} 23.Rf1 {Score: -4.49 23...Rf8 24.Rxf8 Rxf8 25.cxb4 g4 26.Ng6 Kxg6 27.Rg3 h5 28.Be1 Bh4 29.Rxg4+ hxg4 30.Bxh4 Bc6 (Time = 1:43, Depth = 5/14)} 23...Rf8 {Score: -4.49 24.Rxf8 Rxf8 25.cxb4 g4 26.Ng6 Kxg6 27.Rg3 h5 28.Be1 Bh4 29.Rxg4+ hxg4 30.Bxh4 Bc6 (Time = 1:27, Depth = 4/13)} 24.cxb4 {Score: -4.58 24...g4 25.Rg3 Rxf1+ 26.Kxf1 Rf8+ 27.Nf3 h5 28.Ke2 exf3+ 29.gxf3 Bh4 30.Rg1 gxf3+ 31.Kf1 Rg8 32.b5 Rxg1+ 33.Kxg1 Kg6 34.Bb4 (Time = 2:17, Depth = 4/13)} 24...Rxf1+ {Score: -3.24 25.Kxf1 gxh4 (Time = 0:00, Depth = 1/2)} 25.Kxf1 {Score: -4.50 25...g4 26.Rg3 Rf8+ 27.Nf3 h5 28.Ke2 exf3+ 29.gxf3 Bh4 30.Rg1 gxf3+ 31.Kf1 Rg8 32.b5 Rxg1+ 33.Kxg1 Kg6 34.Bb4 (Time = 2:02, Depth = 5/13)} 25...Rf8+ {Score: -4.50 26.Nf3 g4 27.Rg3 h5 28.Ke2 exf3+ 29.gxf3 Bh4 30.Rg1 gxf3+ 31.Kf1 Rg8 32.b5 Rxg1+ 33.Kxg1 Kg6 34.Bb4 (Time = 0:41, Depth = 5/13)} 26.Nf3 {Score: -4.45 26...g4 27.Rg3 h5 28.Ke2 exf3+ 29.gxf3 Bh4 30.Rg1 gxf3+ 31.Kf1 f2 32.Rg2 Rg8 33.Rxg8 Kxg8 34.b5 Kf7 (Time = 1:30, Depth = 5/13)} 26...exf3 {Score: -2.41 27.Rxf3 Kg6 28.b5 Rf5 29.Ba5 g4 30.Rxf5 Kxf5 31.Bc7 Ke4 32.Bb8 a6 33.bxa6 Bxa6 (Time = 0:48, Depth = 6/13)} ( 26...g4 27.Rg3 h5 28.Kg1 exf3 29.gxf3 ) 27.g4 {Score: -3.59 27...f2 28.b5 a6 29.Rg3 axb5 30.axb5 Kg6 31.Rg2 Rb8 32.Rxf2 Ba8 33.b6 Rxb6 34.Ba5 (Time = 1:04, Depth = 6/13)} ( 27.Rxf3 Rxf3+ 28.gxf3 ) 27...a6 {Score: -3.52 28.b5 axb5 29.axb5 Kg7 30.Bc3 Kg6 31.Kf2 Rb8 32.Ba5 Bc8 33.b6 Ra8 34.Bc3 Ra6 35.Kxf3 Rxb6 (Time = 1:48, Depth = 7/14)} 28.Kf2 {Score: -3.73 28...Bc6 29.a5 Rb8 30.Rxf3 Kg7 31.Bc3 Bxb4 32.Rf6 Bd7 33.Kg2 Be7 34.Rf3 Rf8 35.Rh3 (Time = 1:15, Depth = 7/14)} 28...Bc6 {Score: -3.89 29.b5 axb5 30.axb5 Bxb5 31.Rxf3 Rxf3+ 32.Kxf3 Ba4 33.Ke2 Bc2 34.Ba5 Kg6 35.Kd2 Be4 36.Kc3 Bf3 37.h3 Be4 (Time = 1:31, Depth = 7/14)} 29.a5 {Score: -4.11 29...Rb8 30.Rxf3 Kg7 31.Bc3 Bxb4 32.Rf6 Bd7 33.Rf3 Bxc3 34.bxc3 Rb2+ 35.Kg1 Rc2 36.e4 dxe4 37.Re3 (Time = 1:29, Depth = 7/14)} ( 29.b5 axb5 30.axb5 Bxb5 31.Rxf3 Rxf3+ 32.Kxf3 h5 ) 29...Rb8 {Score: -4.17 30.Rxf3 Kg7 31.Kg3 Bxb4 32.Bxb4 Rxb4 33.Rf6 Bd7 34.Rf2 Rb5 35.e4 dxe4 36.Rc2 Rxa5 37.Rxc4 e3 (Time = 1:08, Depth = 7/14)} 30.Rxf3 {Score: -4.11 30...Kg7 31.Kg3 Bxb4 32.Bxb4 Rxb4 33.Rf6 Bd7 34.Rf2 Rb5 35.Kf3 Bc6 36.Kg3 Rxa5 37.Rf6 Bd7 38.Rf1 (Time = 1:32, Depth = 7/14)} 30...Kg7 {Score: -4.24 31.Kg3 Bxb4 32.Bxb4 Rxb4 33.Rf6 Bd7 34.Rf2 Rb5 35.e4 dxe4 36.Rc2 Rb3+ 37.Kf2 Bb5 38.Ke1 Rd3 39.Rd2 (Time = 1:31, Depth = 7/14)} ( 30...Bxb4 31.Bc3 Kg7 32.Rf6 ) 31.Ke2 {Score: -5.15 31...Bxb4 32.Rf6 Bd7 33.Bc1 Bxa5 34.Rf3 Bb4 35.Rf6 Be7 36.Rf3 Kg6 37.h3 Rf8 38.Bd2 Rxf3 39.Kxf3 (Time = 1:33, Depth = 7/14)} ( 31.Kg3 Bxb4 32.Bxb4 Rxb4 ) 31...Bxb4 {Score: -5.18 32.Rf6 Bd7 33.Bc1 Bxa5 34.Rf2 Bb4 35.Rf6 Be7 36.Rf2 Be8 37.Kf3 Bg6 38.Kg3 Rf8 (Time = 1:37, Depth = 7/14)} 32.Rf6 {Score: -5.19 32...Bd7 33.Bc1 Bxa5 34.Rf2 Bb4 35.Rf6 Be7 36.Rf2 Bb5 37.Ke1 Rf8 38.Bd2 Rxf2 39.Kxf2 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 6/13)} ( 32.Bc1 Bxa5 33.Rf6 Rb3 34.Rxe6 Bb5 ) 32...Bd7 {Score: -5.24 33.Bc1 Bxa5 34.Kf2 Bd8 35.Rf3 Be7 36.Ke1 Be8 37.Kf2 Bg6 38.Kg3 Rf8 39.Bd2 Rxf3+ 40.Kxf3 (Time = 2:38, Depth = 7/14)} ( 32...Bxd2 33.Rxe6 Rxb2 34.Rxc6 Bxa5+ 35.Kd1 Rd2+ 36.Kc1 Rxh2 ) 33.h3 {Score: -8.59 33...Bxd2 34.Kxd2 Rxb2+ 35.Kc3 Rb3+ 36.Kc2 Rxe3 37.h4 gxh4 38.Rf2 Ba4+ 39.Kb1 c3 40.Ka2 c2 41.Rf1 Rd3 42.Kb2 Rxd4 (Time = 1:12, Depth = 6/13)} ( 33.Bc1 ) 33...Bxd2 {Score: -8.44 34.Kxd2 Rxb2+ 35.Kc3 Rb3+ 36.Kc2 Rxe3 37.h4 gxh4 38.Kb2 h3 39.Rf4 h2 40.Rf1 Rd3 41.Rh1 Rxd4 42.Rxh2 Rxg4 (Time = 0:31, Depth = 7/13)} 34.Kxd2 {Score: -8.94 34...Rxb2+ 35.Kc3 Rb3+ 36.Kc2 Rxe3 37.h4 gxh4 38.Rf2 Ba4+ 39.Kb1 h3 40.Rb2 Re1+ 41.Ka2 Bb3+ 42.Ka3 Rd1 43.Rf2 Rxd4 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 8/13)} 34...Rxb2+ {Score: -9.01 35.Kc3 Rb3+ 36.Kc2 Rxe3 37.h4 gxh4 38.Kb2 Rd3 39.Rf4 h3 40.Rf2 Rxd4 41.Rh2 Ba4 (Time = 0:39, Depth = 8/13)} 35.Kc3 {Score: -9.17 35...Rb3+ 36.Kc2 Ba4 37.Rf1 Rxe3+ 38.Kb2 c3+ 39.Ka2 Rxh3 40.Rb1 c2 41.Rb7+ Kg6 42.Kb2 Rc3 43.Kc1 Rd3 44.Kb2 Rxd4 45.Re7 (Time = 1:34, Depth = 8/13)} 35...Rb3+ {Score: -9.17 36.Kc2 Ba4 37.Rf1 Rxe3+ 38.Kb2 c3+ 39.Ka2 Rxh3 40.Rb1 c2 41.Rb7+ Kg6 42.Kb2 Rc3 43.Kc1 Rd3 44.Kb2 Rxd4 45.Re7 (Time = 0:48, Depth = 8/13)} 36.Kd2 {Score: -9.86 36...c3+ 37.Kc2 Ra3 38.Rf1 Ba4+ 39.Kb1 Bb5 40.Rd1 Bc4 41.e4 Ba2+ 42.Kc2 Bb3+ 43.Kxc3 Bxd1+ 44.Kd2 Bb3 45.exd5 Bxd5 (Time = 1:00, Depth = 7/12)} 36...Ra3 {Score: -11.35 37.Rf1 c3+ 38.Kc2 Ba4+ 39.Kb1 Bb5 40.Rd1 Bc4 41.Kc2 Bb3+ 42.Kxc3 Bxd1+ 43.Kd2 Bf3 44.Ke1 Rxa5 45.Kf2 Be4 (Time = 1:28, Depth = 8/13)} 37.Rf3 {MATE IN 11. 37...c3+ 38.Kd1 Ba4+ 39.Ke2 Bb5+ 40.Kd1 Bd3 41.Ke1 Ra1+ 42.Kf2 c2 43.Kg3 c1=Q 44.h4 Qg1+ 45.Kh3 Qh1+ 46.Kg3 Rg1+ 47.Kf2 Qg2# (Time = 0:04, Depth = 5/10)} 37...Rxa5 {Score: -7.29 38.e4 Ra2+ 39.Ke1 dxe4 40.Rc3 Bb5 41.Re3 Ba4 42.Rxe4 Ra3 43.h4 gxh4 44.Rf4 Ra1+ 45.Ke2 (Time = 1:31, Depth = 8/13)} ( 37...c3+ 38.Kd1 Ba4+ 39.Ke2 Bb5+ 40.Kf2 c2 41.Kg3 c1=Q 42.Rf7+ Kxf7 43.Kf3 Qf1+ 44.Kg3 Rxe3+ 45.Kh2 Rxh3# ) 38.Kc3 {Score: -8.12 38...Ra3+ 39.Kb4 Rb3+ 40.Ka5 Bb5 41.Rf1 Rxe3 42.Rf6 Rxh3 43.Rxe6 Rd3 44.Re7+ Kg8 45.Re6 Rxd4 46.Rxh6 Rxg4 (Time = 1:32, Depth = 8/13)} ( 38.Rf1 Ra2+ 39.Kc3 a5 ) 38...Rb5 {Score: -7.65 39.Rf1 Rb3+ 40.Kd2 Be8 41.Ra1 Bg6 42.Ke2 Rb2+ 43.Kd1 Rb1+ 44.Rxb1 Bxb1 45.Kd2 Be4 46.Kc3 Bg2 47.e4 Bxe4 (Time = 2:20, Depth = 9/14)} 39.Rf6 {Score: -9.97 39...Rb3+ 40.Kc2 Rxe3 41.h4 gxh4 42.Kb2 h3 43.Rf2 Rd3 44.Kc1 Rxd4 45.Rh2 Ba4 46.Rxh3 Rxg4 (Time = 1:29, Depth = 8/13)} ( 39.Rf1 a5 40.Kc2 Rb3 ) 39...a5 {Score: -8.47 40.Rf1 Rb3+ 41.Kd2 Rb2+ 42.Kc3 Re2 43.Ra1 Rxe3+ 44.Kb2 Rb3+ 45.Kc2 a4 46.Rh1 Re3 47.h4 gxh4 48.Rxh4 Rd3 49.Rh1 Rxd4 (Time = 1:43, Depth = 9/14)} 40.Rf3 {Score: -10.11 40...Rb3+ 41.Kc2 Be8 42.Rf1 Bg6+ 43.e4 Bxe4+ 44.Kd2 Rxh3 45.Ra1 Rd3+ 46.Ke1 Rxd4 47.Rxa5 Bf3 48.Ra7+ Kg6 49.Kf2 Bxg4 (Time = 1:06, Depth = 8/13)} 40...a4 {Score: -8.66 41.Kd2 Rb2+ 42.Kc1 a3 43.e4 Rb3 44.Rf2 Rxh3 45.Kb1 dxe4 46.Ka2 Rg3 47.Rf1 e3 (Time = 1:41, Depth = 8/13) } 41.Rf1 {Score: -9.59 41...Rb3+ 42.Kc2 a3 43.Ra1 Rxe3 44.Rh1 Rd3 45.Kb1 Rxd4 46.Ka2 Rd3 47.h4 gxh4 48.Rxh4 Ba4 (Time = 2:26, Depth = 8/13)} 41...Rb3+ {Score: -9.18 42.Kd2 c3+ 43.Kc2 Be8 44.e4 Bg6 45.Kd3 Bxe4+ 46.Ke2 c2 47.Kd2 Rxh3 48.Kc1 a3 49.Rf2 (Time = 0:41, Depth = 7/12)} 42.Kd2 {Score: -9.68 42...c3+ 43.Kc2 Be8 44.e4 Bg6 45.Kd3 Bxe4+ 46.Ke2 c2 47.Kd2 Rxh3 48.Ra1 a3 49.Re1 a2 50.Rf1 (Time = 1:17, Depth = 7/12)} 42...Rb8 {Score: -8.34 43.Rc1 Rb2+ 44.Kc3 Re2 45.Kb4 Rxe3 46.Kc5 Kf7 47.Kd6 Ke8 48.Rb1 Rb3 49.Rh1 a3 (Time = 2:12, Depth = 8/13)} ( 42...c3+ 43.Kc2 Be8 44.Rf6 Bg6+ 45.Rxg6+ Kxg6 46.e4 Rb2+ 47.Kd3 a3 48.Kxc3 Rb7 49.exd5 a2 50.Kc2 a1=Q 51.dxe6 Qa4+ 52.Kd3 Rb3+ 53.Ke4 Qc6+ 54.d5 Qc4# ) 43.Kc3 {Score: -9.28 43...Be8 44.Ra1 Rb3+ 45.Kd2 c3+ 46.Kd1 Bg6 47.e4 Bxe4 48.Ke2 c2 49.Rc1 Rxh3 50.Kd2 a3 51.Rf1 (Time = 1:36, Depth = 8/13)} 43...Rf8 {Score: -6.88 44.Rb1 Kf7 45.Kd2 Ke7 46.Ke2 a3 47.Ra1 Ra8 48.Ra2 Ba4 49.Kd2 Bb3 50.Ra1 (Time = 0:54, Depth = 8/13)} ( 43...Be8 44.e4 Rb3+ 45.Kd2 c3+ 46.Ke3 ) 44.Rh1 {Score: -7.90 44...Rf3 45.Kd2 Rf2+ 46.Kc3 Re2 47.e4 Rxe4 48.Rb1 Re3+ 49.Kd2 Rb3 50.Kc2 Rxb1 51.Kxb1 a3 (Time = 1:05, Depth = 7/12)} ( 44.Rb1 Be8 45.Rb8 Bg6 46.Rb7+ Rf7 47.Rxf7+ Kxf7 ) 44...Rf3 {Score: -8.04 45.Re1 Rxh3 46.Kb4 Rg3 47.Kc5 Be8 48.e4 dxe4 49.d5 exd5 50.Kxd5 Rxg4 51.Kxc4 Bd7 52.Kd4 (Time = 1:58, Depth = 9/14)} 45.Kd2 {Score: -8.21 45...Rf2+ 46.Kc3 Re2 47.Kb4 Rxe3 48.Kc5 Be8 49.h4 gxh4 50.Rxh4 Rg3 51.Kd6 Bf7 52.Kc5 (Time = 1:02, Depth = 7/12)} 45...Rf2+ {Score: -8.30 46.Kc3 Re2 47.Kb4 Rxe3 48.Kc5 Be8 49.h4 Rg3 50.hxg5 hxg5 51.Kd6 Bf7 52.Kc5 Rxg4 (Time = 1:59, Depth = 8/13)} 46.Ke1 {MATE IN 11. 46...Rb2 47.Rf1 c3 48.Rf2 Bb5 49.Rf6 Rb1+ 50.Kf2 c2 51.Rxe6 c1=Q 52.Re7+ Kh8 53.Re8+ Bxe8 54.Ke2 Qf1+ 55.Kd2 Qd1+ 56.Kc3 Rb3# (Time = 1:26, Depth = 8/13)} ( 46.Kc3 Re2 47.e4 Rxe4 48.h4 ) 46...Rb2 {MATE IN 12. 47.Rf1 a3 48.Rf2 a2 49.Rxb2 a1=Q+ 50.Rb1 Qxb1+ 51.Kf2 Qb2+ 52.Kg3 c3 53.h4 gxh4+ 54.Kf3 Bb5 55.g5 Qe2+ 56.Kf4 Qf2+ 57.Kg4 Be2+ 58.Kh3 Qg3# (Time = 0:08, Depth = 6/11)} 47.Rf1 {MATE IN 10. 47...c3 48.Rf2 Bb5 49.Rf6 Rb1+ 50.Kf2 c2 51.Rxe6 c1=Q 52.Re7+ Kh8 53.Re8+ Bxe8 54.Kf3 Qh1+ 55.Kf2 Rb2+ 56.Kg3 Qg2# (Time = 0:26, Depth = 6/11)} 47...a3 {Score: -15.75 48.Rf2 a2 49.Rd2 Rxd2 50.Kxd2 a1=Q (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/4)} 48.Rf2 {MATE IN 9. 48...c3 49.Rxb2 axb2 50.Kf2 c2 51.h4 c1=Q 52.hxg5 b1=Q 53.gxh6+ Kxh6 54.Kg2 Qh1+ 55.Kg3 Qbe1+ 56.Kf4 Qhf1# (Time = 0:19, Depth = 6/11)} 48...c3 {MATE IN 10. 49.Kf1 a2 50.Kg2 c2 51.h4 c1=Q 52.Rxb2 Qxb2+ 53.Kg3 gxh4+ 54.Kf3 Bb5 55.g5 Qe2+ 56.Kf4 Qf2+ 57.Kg4 Be2+ 58.Kh3 Qg3# (Time = 0:02, Depth = 4/9)} 49.Rxb2 {MATE IN 8. 49...axb2 50.Kf2 c2 51.h4 c1=Q 52.hxg5 b1=Q 53.gxh6+ Kxh6 54.Kg2 Qh1+ 55.Kg3 Qbe1+ 56.Kf4 Qhf1# (Time = 0:06, Depth = 7/10)} 49...cxb2 {MATE IN 7. 50.Kf2 a2 51.h4 a1=Q 52.hxg5 b1=Q 53.gxh6+ Kg6 54.Kg2 Qh1+ 55.Kg3 Qae1+ 56.Kf4 Qhf1# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 6/8)} 50.Kf2 {MATE IN 7. 50...b1=Q 51.h4 a2 52.hxg5 a1=Q 53.gxh6+ Kg6 54.Kg3 Qg1+ 55.Kh3 Qxe3+ 56.Kg2 Qag1# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 6/8)} 50...b1=Q {Score: -24.29 51.h4 a2 52.Kg3 Qg1+ 53.Kf3 gxh4 54.g5 Qg3+ 55.Ke2 a1=Q (Time = 0:00, Depth = 3/5)} 51.h4 {MATE IN 6. 51...a2 52.hxg5 a1=Q 53.gxh6+ Kg6 54.Kg3 Qg1+ 55.Kh3 Qxe3+ 56.Kg2 Qag1# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 3/7)} 51...Qc2+ {Score: -22.84 52.Kf3 Qe4+ 53.Kg3 gxh4+ 54.Kxh4 a2 55.Kg3 a1=Q (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/4)} 52.Kf3 {MATE IN 5. 52...Bb5 53.hxg5 hxg5 54.e4 Bf1 55.exd5 Qg2+ 56.Ke3 Qe2# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 3/6)} 52...gxh4 {MATE IN 5. 53.g5 Bb5 54.gxh6+ Kxh6 55.Kg4 Qe4+ 56.Kh3 Bf1+ 57.Kh2 Qg2# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/4)} 53.e4 {MATE IN 4. 53...Bb5 54.exd5 exd5 55.Ke3 Qe2+ 56.Kf4 Qe4# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/4)} 53...dxe4+ {Score: -24.91 54.Ke3 a2 55.d5 a1=Q (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/2)} 54.Ke3 {MATE IN 3. 54...Bb5 55.Kf4 Qd3 56.d5 Qf3# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 3/4)} 54...Qd3+ {Score: -25.32 55.Kf2 a2 56.d5 a1=Q (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/2)} 55.Kf2 {MATE IN 3. 55...Qd2+ 56.Kf1 a2 57.d5 a1=Q# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/3)} 55...Qd2+ {MATE IN 2. 56.Kf1 a2 57.d5 a1=Q# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/2)} 56.Kf1 {MATE IN 2. 56...a2 57.Kg1 a1=Q# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/3)} 56...a2 {MATE IN 1. 57.d5 a1=Q# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 2/2)} 57.d5 {MATE IN 1. 57...a1=Q# (Time = 0:00, Depth = 1/1)} 57...a1=Q# 0-1 |
| groove 1/11/2005 13:58:42 [ report this post ] | Fritz (90s) Threshold = 30 Message: [Event "Unrepentant Cardinal"] [Site "gameknot.com/chess.pl?b";] [Date "2005.01.02"] [Round "?"] [White "edgatan"] [Black "groove"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "D00"] [WhiteElo "1630"] [BlackElo "1761"] [Annotator "Deep Fritz 8 (90s)"] [PlyCount "94"] [EventDate "2005.??.??"] {D00: 1 d4 d5: Unusual lines} 1. d4 d5 2. e3 e6 3. f4 Nf6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 { last book move} c4 6. Bc2 Be7 7. Nd2 O-O 8. Ngf3 b5 9. a3 { Prevents intrusion on b4} (9. Ne5 b4 $11) 9... Bb7 10. O-O Ng4 11. Qe2 f5 12. Ne5 Nf6 13. Rf3 Nc6 14. Rh3 Nxe5 (14... a5 15. Rb1 $11) 15. fxe5 (15. dxe5 Ng4 $14) 15... Ne4 $11 {The knight dominates} 16. Qh5 (16. Nxe4 fxe4 17. Qh5 h6 $11 ) 16... h6 (16... Ng5 17. Rg3 Bc6 18. Qe2 $15) 17. Nf3 (17. Qg6 $5 { is noteworthy} Qe8 18. Qxe6+ Kh8 19. Nxe4 fxe4 20. Bd1 $11) 17... Qe8 $15 18. Qxe8 Rfxe8 19. a4 (19. Nd2 a5 $15) 19... b4 $17 20. Bxe4 (20. cxb4 $5 Bxb4 21. Rh5 $17) 20... fxe4 $19 21. Nh4 (21. Ne1 bxc3 22. bxc3 Bc6 $19) 21... Kh7 ( 21... g5 $142 22. Ng6 Bd8 23. cxb4 Kg7 $19) 22. Bd2 $4 { terrible, but what else could White do to save the game?} (22. g4 $142 $19) 22... g5 23. Rf1 Rf8 24. cxb4 Rxf1+ 25. Kxf1 Rf8+ 26. Nf3 exf3 (26... g4 { seems even better} 27. Rg3 h5 28. Kg1 exf3 29. gxf3 $19) 27. g4 $2 (27. Rxf3 Rxf3+ 28. gxf3 $19) 27... a6 28. Kf2 Bc6 29. a5 (29. b5 { doesn't get the cat off the tree} axb5 30. axb5 Bxb5 31. Rxf3 Rxf3+ 32. Kxf3 h5 $19) 29... Rb8 30. Rxf3 Kg7 (30... Bxb4 $142 {makes it even easier for Black} 31. Bc3 Kg7 32. Rf6 $19) 31. Ke2 (31. Kg3 {cannot change what is in store for ? } Bxb4 32. Bxb4 Rxb4 $19) 31... Bxb4 32. Rf6 (32. Bc1 { doesn't get the bull off the ice} Bxa5 33. Rf6 Rb3 34. Rxe6 Bb5 $19) 32... Bd7 (32... Bxd2 $142 {might be the shorter path} 33. Rxe6 Rxb2 34. Rxc6 Bxa5+ 35. Kd1 Rd2+ 36. Kc1 Rxh2 $19) 33. h3 (33. Bc1 $19 {is one last hope}) 33... Bxd2 34. Kxd2 Rxb2+ 35. Kc3 Rb3+ 36. Kd2 Ra3 37. Rf3 Rxa5 (37... c3+ 38. Kd1 Ba4+ 39. Ke2 Bb5+ 40. Kf2 c2 41. Kg3 c1=Q 42. Rf7+ Kxf7 43. Kf3 Qf1+ 44. Kg3 Rxe3+ 45. Kh2 Rxh3#) 38. Kc3 (38. Rf1 {is not the saving move} Ra2+ 39. Kc3 a5 $19) 38... Rb5 39. Rf6 (39. Rf1 {is not much help} a5 40. Kc2 Rb3 $19) 39... a5 40. Rf3 a4 41. Rf1 Rb3+ 42. Kd2 Rb8 (42... c3+ 43. Kc2 Be8 44. Rf6 Bg6+ 45. Rxg6+ Kxg6 46. e4 Rb2+ 47. Kd3 a3 48. Kxc3 Rb7 49. exd5 a2 50. Kc2 a1=Q 51. dxe6 Qa4+ 52. Kd3 Rb3+ 53. Ke4 Qc6+ 54. d5 Qc4#) 43. Kc3 Rf8 (43... Be8 $142 { finishes off the opponent} 44. e4 Rb3+ 45. Kd2 c3+ 46. Ke3 $19) 44. Rh1 (44. Rb1 Be8 45. Rb8 Bg6 46. Rb7+ Rf7 47. Rxf7+ Kxf7 $19) 44... Rf3 45. Kd2 Rf2+ 46. Ke1 (46. Kc3 {is still a small chance} Re2 47. e4 Rxe4 48. h4 $19) 46... Rb2 47. Rf1 a3 (47... a3 48. Rf2 c3 49. Rxb2 cxb2 50. Kf2 b1=Q 51. h4 Qc2+ 52. Kf3 gxh4 53. e4 dxe4+ 54. Ke3 Qd3+ 55. Kf2 Qd2+ 56. Kf1 a2 57. d5 a1=Q#) 0-1 |
| groove 1/11/2005 13:59:36 [ report this post ] | Fritz (90s) Threshold = 15 Message: [Event "Unrepentant Cardinal"] [Site "gameknot.com/chess.pl?";] [Date "2005.01.02"] [Round "?"] [White "edgatan"] [Black "groove"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "D00"] [WhiteElo "1630"] [BlackElo "1761"] [Annotator "Deep Fritz 8 (90s)"] [PlyCount "94"] [EventDate "2005.??.??"] {D00: 1 d4 d5: Unusual lines} 1. d4 d5 2. e3 e6 3. f4 Nf6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 { last book move} c4 6. Bc2 Be7 7. Nd2 O-O 8. Ngf3 b5 9. a3 {Consolidates b4} (9. Ne5 Bb7 $11) 9... Bb7 10. O-O Ng4 (10... Ne4 11. a4 a6 12. Nxe4 dxe4 13. Nd2 $11) 11. Qe2 (11. Ng5 Nf6 $11 (11... Nxe3 $4 { the pawn must be left alone, otherwise Black will be punished} 12. Bxh7+ Kh8 13. Qh5 $18)) 11... f5 12. Ne5 Nf6 13. Rf3 Nc6 14. Rh3 Nxe5 (14... Qe8 15. Ndf3 $11) 15. fxe5 (15. dxe5 Ng4 $14) 15... Ne4 $11 {A beautiful square!} 16. Qh5 ( 16. Nxe4 fxe4 17. Qh5 h6 $11) 16... h6 (16... Ng5 17. Rh4 $15) 17. Nf3 (17. Qg6 $5 {is worth looking at} Qe8 18. Qxe6+ Kh8 19. Nxe4 fxe4 20. Bd1 $11) 17... Qe8 $15 18. Qxe8 Rfxe8 19. a4 (19. Kf1 Rf8 $17) 19... b4 $17 20. Bxe4 (20. cxb4 $5 Bxb4 21. Rb1 $17) 20... fxe4 $19 21. Nh4 (21. Ne1 bxc3 22. bxc3 Bc6 $19) 21... Kh7 (21... g5 $142 22. Ng6 Bd8 23. cxb4 Kg7 $19) 22. Bd2 $4 { White crumbles in face of a dire situation} (22. g4 $142 $19) 22... g5 23. Rf1 Rf8 24. cxb4 (24. Nf3 {does not solve anything} g4 25. Rg3 gxf3 26. gxf3 a5 $19 ) 24... Rxf1+ 25. Kxf1 Rf8+ 26. Nf3 exf3 (26... g4 {might be the shorter path} 27. Rg3 h5 28. Kg1 exf3 29. gxf3 $19) 27. g4 $2 (27. Rxf3 Rxf3+ 28. gxf3 $19) 27... a6 28. Kf2 (28. b5 {doesn't change anything anymore} axb5 29. axb5 Kg6 $19) 28... Bc6 29. a5 (29. b5 {hardly improves anything} axb5 30. axb5 Bxb5 31. Rxf3 Re8 $19) 29... Rb8 30. Rxf3 Kg7 (30... Bxb4 {might be the shorter path} 31. Bc3 Kg7 32. Rf6 $19) 31. Ke2 (31. Kg2 {cannot change what is in store for ? } Bxb4 32. Bxb4 Rxb4 $19) 31... Bxb4 32. Rf6 (32. Bc1 { doesn't get the bull off the ice} Bxa5 33. Rf6 Rb3 34. Rxe6 Bb5 $19) 32... Bd7 (32... Bxd2 $142 {seems even better} 33. Rxe6 Bxa5 34. Rxc6 Rxb2+ 35. Kd1 Rd2+ 36. Kc1 Rxh2 $19) 33. h3 (33. Bc1 $19 {is one last hope}) 33... Bxd2 34. Kxd2 Rxb2+ 35. Kc3 Rb3+ 36. Kd2 Ra3 (36... c3+ $142 {keeps an even firmer grip} 37. Kc1 Ra3 $19) 37. Rf3 Rxa5 (37... c3+ 38. Kd1 Ba4+ 39. Ke2 Bb5+ 40. Ke1 Ra1+ 41. Kf2 c2 42. h4 c1=Q 43. Kg3 Qe1+ 44. Rf2 gxh4+ 45. Kh3 Qh1+ 46. Rh2 Bf1+ 47. Kxh4 Qxh2#) 38. Kc3 $19 Rb5 39. Rf6 (39. Rf1 {does not win a prize} a5 $19) 39... a5 (39... Rb3+ $142 {and Black can already relax} 40. Kc2 Rxe3 41. Rf1 Ba4+ 42. Kb2 c3+ 43. Ka2 Rxh3 44. Rb1 $19) 40. Rf3 a4 (40... Rb3+ $142 { makes it even easier for Black} 41. Kc2 Be8 42. Rf6 Bg6+ 43. e4 Bxe4+ 44. Kd1 $19) 41. Rf1 Rb3+ 42. Kd2 Rb8 (42... c3+ 43. Kc2 Be8 44. Rf6 Bg6+ 45. Rxg6+ Kxg6 46. h4 gxh4 47. e4 h3 48. exd5 h2 49. Kd3 h1=Q 50. dxe6 Qf1+ 51. Ke4 Qg2+ 52. Kf4 c2 53. d5 c1=Q#) 43. Kc3 Rf8 (43... Be8 $142 {nails it down} 44. e4 Rb3+ 45. Kd2 c3+ 46. Ke3 $19) 44. Rh1 (44. Rb1 Be8 45. Rb8 Bg6 46. Rb7+ Rf7 47. Rxf7+ Kxf7 $19) 44... Rf3 45. Kd2 Rf2+ 46. Ke1 (46. Kc3 { a last effort to resist the inevitable} Re2 47. e4 Rxe4 48. h4 $19) 46... Rb2 47. Rf1 a3 (47... a3 48. Rf2 c3 49. Rxb2 cxb2 50. Kf2 b1=Q 51. h4 Qc2+ 52. Kf3 gxh4 53. e4 dxe4+ 54. Ke3 Qd3+ 55. Kf2 Qd2+ 56. Kf1 a2 57. d5 a1=Q#) 0-1 |
| groove 1/11/2005 14:01:12 [ report this post ] | If you want to view these in a PGN viewer... Message: These are taken directly from the corresponding .pgn files, so if you want to cut and paste them into a text file (notepad or wordpad), and then save them as a .pgn file, you can view them in your pgn viewer a little easier. Let me know if you have problems. |
| groove 1/11/2005 14:04:09 [ report this post ] | Message: Steve, just download your pgn game, and open Fritz. Goto database view, and choose File --> open database --> (choose .pgn file type), and navigate to your game to open. Then double click on the game when it shows up in the game listing. |
| wschmidt 1/11/2005 15:28:14 [ report this post ] | miguel.... Message: Thanks for the tip. I'll try that when I get home tonight. ws |
| wschmidt 1/11/2005 15:29:22 [ report this post ] | and Groove, Message: Thanks for posting the comparison. It rekindles my interest in figuring out Fritz. |
| mogath 1/11/2005 19:39:59 [ report this post ] | Re: Fritz Shareware Message: I have versions 2 and 3, but those are for Dos. A couple years ago Fritz 5.32 was available as a free download by I THINK PC Magazine. Regards, Jeff |
| miguel_pires 1/12/2005 02:55:28 [ report this post ] | another thing Message: When you analise a finished game the program give you the lines he think is best, but if you want to see if that is correct, when the analises is over run the infinite analises. That don't writte in the game but you are going to see if what the program sugest is correct. I've a game (i'm going to post that game) played in OTB and is interesting to see that in one particular move in the infinite analises the program don't aggre with my move and in the full analisys he aggre with the move i made (Threshold = 0). Regard's Miguel Pires |
| miguel_pires 1/12/2005 03:44:59 [ report this post ] | A good book Message: about how to use chess programs is MODERN CHESS ANALYSIS (Robin Smith). He is a ICCF SM or GM. You can fin the book in: www.badbishop.com/gambit/books/modanalys Regard's Miguel Pires |
| miguel_pires 1/13/2005 07:42:15 [ report this post ] | the game with the analisys Message: Wanderley,R (1956) - Pires,M (1520) [A57] 1 Torneio internacional de Guimar�es Museu Alberto Sampaio, 02.12.2004 [Fritz 8 (90s)] A57: Benko/Volga Gambit 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.Nc3 g6 [5...d6 6.e4 g6 (6...g6 7.f4 Bg4 8.Nf3 Nfd7 9.Bd3 Bg7 10.0-0 Bd4+ 11.Kh1 Qc7 12.bxa6 Nxa6 13.Nb5 Qb6 14.Nbxd4 cxd4 15.Bxa6 Qxa6 16.h3 Bxf3 17.Rxf3 Qc4 18.b3 Qb4 19.Bb2 Nc5 20.Qxd4 Qxd4 21.Bxd4 Bogner,S-Koernlein,D/Winterberg 2002/CBM 88 ext/1-0 (34); 6...g6 7.f4 Nbd7 8.Nf3 Bg7 9.e5 dxe5 10.fxe5 Ng4 11.e6 Nde5 12.h3 Nxf3+ 13.Qxf3 Ne5 14.Qe4 fxe6 15.Bf4 exd5 16.Qxd5 Qxd5 17.Nxd5 0-0 18.Bd3 Nd7 19.Nxe7+ Kh8 20.Nxc8 Raxc8 21.0-0-0 Szabolcsi,J-Geiser,L/Cannes 1990/EXT 99/1-0; 6...g6 7.f4 Nbd7 8.Nf3 Bg7 9.a4 0-0 10.bxa6 Qa5 11.Bd2 Bxa6 12.Bb5 Bxb5 13.Nxb5 Qb6 14.Qe2 c4 15.Nfd4 Nc5 16.0-0 Nb3 17.Bc3 Nxa1 18.Rxa1 Qc5 19.Kf1 Qc8 20.Nc6 Qd7 21.Qxc4 Arroyo,E-Calzetta Ruiz,M/Spain 1992/EXT 98/0-1 (48)) 7.f4 Bg7 8.Nf3 Nbd7 9.bxa6 Bxa6 10.e5 Bxf1 11.exf6 Nxf6 12.Rxf1 0-0 13.Kf2 Qb6 14.Kg1 Rfb8 15.Kh1 Qb7 16.Qd3 Qa6 17.Qxa6 Rxa6 18.Re1 Ra7 19.Kg1 Rab7 20.Rb1 Southam,T-Ward,R/London,Canada 1995/EXT 2001/1-0 (48)] 6.e4 d6 7.f4 Nbd7 [7...Bg7 8.e5 dxe5 9.fxe5 Ng4 10.e6 Ne5 11.exf7+ Nxf7 12.Nf3 0-0 13.Be2 axb5 14.Nxb5 Bb7 15.Nc3 Ne5 16.Nxe5 Bxe5 17.Bf3 Qc7 18.d6 Bxf3 19.dxc7 Bxc3+ 20.bxc3 Bxd1 21.cxb8Q Raxb8 22.Kxd1 Taha,M-Ibrahim,M/Moscow 1994/CBM 44 ext/1-0] 8.Nf3 Bg7 9.Bd3N [9.e5 dxe5 10.fxe5 Ng4�] 9...Qc7 10.Qe2 0-0 11.bxa6 Nb6 [11...Qa5 12.0-0�] 12.Be3 [12.0-0 c4 13.Bc2 e6 14.dxe6 fxe6�] 12...Ng4 13.Bg1 Rd8 [13...Na4 14.Nxa4 Qa5+ 15.Nd2 Qxa4 16.h3�] 14.Rc1 Qa7 [14...Re8 15.Bb5 Bd7 16.a4+-] 15.h3 [15.Nd2!? f5+-] 15...Nf6� 16.b4 Nfd7? [16...Nh5 17.bxc5 dxc5 18.Bh2�] 17.Nb5 [17.b5 Qc7+-] 17...Qb8 [�17...Qxa6 18.a3 Rb8�] 18.a7+- Qb7 19.bxc5 Nxc5 20.Bxc5 dxc5 21.Rxc5 Nd7 [21...Bd7 22.Rc7 Qa6 23.0-0 Bxb5 24.Bxb5+-] 22.Rc2 [�22.Rc7!? seems even better 22...Qb6 23.Qf2 Qa5+ 24.Qd2 Qa6+-] 22...Qb6 23.e5 [�23.Rc6!? Qa5+ 24.Qd2 Qa4+-] 23...Nc5� 24.Bc4 Bf5 25.Rb2 Ne4 26.Rg1 Qa5+ 27.Nd2 Qb6 28.Nf3?? White loses the upper hand [�28.Rf1 would have given White a clear advantage 28...Nc3 29.Qf2+-] 28...Qa5+= 29.Kd1 [29.Nd2 Qb6 30.Rf1�] 29...Qxb5 Annihilates a defender: b5 [%emt 0:00:00] 30.Rxb5 Decoy to b5 [30.Bxb5 Nc3+ Theme: Double Attack] 30...Nc3+ A double attack 31.Kd2 Nxe2 32.Kxe2 [32.Bxe2?! Rxa7 33.Bc4 Bh6+-] 32...Rxa7 33.Nd4 Bd7 [33...Rc7 doesn't do any good 34.Nxf5 gxf5 35.Rc1+-] 34.Rb6 [34.Nc6 keeps an even firmer grip 34...Bxc6 35.dxc6 Rc8+-] 34...Ra4 35.Kd3 [35.Nc6 makes it even easier for White 35...Bxc6 36.Rxc6 Ra7+-] 35...Rc8 [35...g5 36.g3+-] 36.Nc6 [36.Bb3 and White can already relax 36...Ra7+-] 36...Bf5+ [36...Kf8 37.Rb7 Ke8 38.Rc1 Ra3+ 39.Kd4+-] 37.Kc3 [�37.Kd4 might be the shorter path 37...Bf8 38.Rc1+-] 37...Rca8 [37...Kf8+-] 38.Nxe7+ Kf8 [38...Kh8 is not much help 39.Nxf5 gxf5 40.Rgb1+-] 39.Nxf5 gxf5 40.Rgb1 Ra3+ 41.R1b3 Ke7 [41...Rxb3+ is no salvation 42.Kxb3 Kg8 43.Rb7+-] 42.d6+ Kd8 43.Bxf7 [�43.Rxa3 seems even better 43...Rxa3+ 44.Kb4+-] 43...Kd7 [43...R3a6+- what else?] 44.Rb7+ Kd8 45.Be6 Bf8 46.Kc4 R3a4+ 47.R3b4 [�47.Kd3 keeps an even firmer grip 47...Ra3 48.Rf7 Bh6 49.Bxf5 R8a6 50.Rxh7 Bf8+-] 47...h5 48.Rxa4 Rxa4+ 49.Kb5 Ra8 50.a4 [50.a4 Ke8 51.Bf7+ Kd8 52.a5 Rxa5+ 53.Kxa5 Bxd6 54.exd6 Kc8 55.Kb6 Kd8 56.Be6 h4 57.Rb8#] 1-0 |
| miguel_pires 1/13/2005 07:44:11 [ report this post ] | with the infinit analisys Message: Wanderley,R (1956) - Pires,M (1520) [A57] 1 Torneio internacional de Guimar�es Museu Alberto Sampaio, 02.12.2004 [Fritz 8 (90s)] A57: Benko/Volga Gambit 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.Nc3 g6 6.e4 d6 7.f4 Nbd7 8.Nf3 Bg7 9.Bd3N Qc7 10.Qe2 0-0 11.bxa6 Nb6 12.Be3 Ng4 13.Bg1 Rd8 14.Rc1 Qa7 15.h3 Nf6 16.b4 Nfd7 17.Nb5 Qb8 18.a7 Qb7 19.bxc5 Nxc5 20.Bxc5 dxc5 21.Rxc5 Nd7 22.Rc2 Qb6 23.e5 Nc5 24.Bc4 Bf5 25.Rb2 Ne4 26.Rg1 Qa5+ 27.Nd2 Qb6 28.Nf3 Qa5+ 29.Kd1 Qxb5 [Junior 8: 1) 29...Qa4+ 30.Ke1 Rdc8 31.Bb3 Rc1+ 32.Bd1 Rd8 33.Nfd4 Rxd5 34.Rd2 Rxb5 35.Nxb5 Qa5 36.a4 Nxd2 37.Qxd2 [%eval -87,17]; Junior 8: 2) 29...Rac8 [%eval 66,17]; Junior 8: 3) 29...Nc3+ 30.Nxc3 Qxc3 31.Bb3 Be4 32.Qxe4 Qxb2 33.Qd4 Qa3 34.f5 Rdc8 35.fxg6 hxg6 36.Ba4 Rc7 37.Re1 Raxa7 [%eval 72,17]; Junior 8: 4) 29...e6 30.g4 [%eval 103,16]] 30.Rxb5 Nc3+ 31.Kd2 Nxe2 32.Kxe2 Rxa7 33.Nd4 Bd7 34.Rb6 Ra4 35.Kd3 Rc8 36.Nc6 Bf5+ 37.Kc3 Rca8 38.Nxe7+ Kf8 39.Nxf5 gxf5 40.Rgb1 Ra3+ 41.R1b3 Ke7 42.d6+ Kd8 43.Bxf7 Kd7 44.Rb7+ Kd8 45.Be6 Bf8 46.Kc4 R3a4+ 47.R3b4 h5 48.Rxa4 Rxa4+ 49.Kb5 Ra8 50.a4 1-0 |
| miguel_pires 1/13/2005 07:48:28 [ report this post ] | if Message: you copy the game to fritz or chessbase you going to see the game correctly. The point is in move 29 for black i played 29... Qxb5 and in the ful analisys the program accept the move, but in the infinit analisys he don't aggre with the move and sugest 29... Qa4+. What is the correct move? Regards Miguel Pires |
| apastpawn 1/13/2005 10:06:55 [ report this post ] | Seeing that we are talking Message: about Fritz. I understand it has a way of storing games into your own database vs. the one that comes with it. Is this correct and can this help me keep my current correspondance games organized. Also is there a way in Fritz to move the pieces to self analyse as in the window here. Lastly can Fritz's mega database be compared to your current game easily like here. I'm sure its database is an improvement over GK's. Thanks. |
| miguel_pires 1/13/2005 10:51:02 [ report this post ] | Dear id=apastpawn Message: "Also is there a way in Fritz to move the pieces to self analyse as in the window here. " About this in fritz you have at list 2 ways: 1. The inifit analisys mode, the program analise the position and don't make the move, and you can move the peaces to see the evaluation. 2. Deep position analisys. The program make the analisys and writte in the game. For the first part and last part i use a different program, Chessbase 8. In C8 you can stor your games and when you are in game window you go to the function edit, find position in reference database, and you can find the games played with that line. I hoppe i hep you Regard's Miguel Pires |
| wschmidt 1/14/2005 05:04:45 [ report this post ] | I have Fritz 8 Message: loaded from an original disc. However, when I try to run it, I get a message that says, "This is possibly not and original program CD." I hit "OK" and it loads Fritz 5.32, which I understand from a post above is a shareware program once distributed, probably also on the disc. Any suggestions how to overcome this? I have reinstalled the program, but it doesn't help. |
| dysfl 1/14/2005 05:51:20 [ report this post ] | Not original? Message: wschmidt, I didn�t have experienced it with Fritz, but seen it with other program. Some programs try to find the CD only from the first CD-Rom (or DVD) drive. If you got more than one drive, try the first in sequence. Also, virtual cd-rom drive programs, like CloneCD, could trigger it even you�re using the original CD. I had to deinstall CloneCD to install one of my game CD. Check Fritz web site first, or write an e-mail. |
| apastpawn 1/14/2005 10:42:04 [ report this post ] | Fritz 5.32 Message: wschmidt, I do know that Fritz comes with several chess playing engines and that you can download others. Look for "load engines" or "engines" in the help section. This should allow you to choose which engine to load and play against. Thats the problem with Fritz. It is not very user friendly I hear. Lots of windows and too many things to set or mess up. |
| alberlie 3/16/2005 14:12:52 [ report this post ] | another question... Message: I have fritz 8, german version but would like to let him analyze games in English. Simply changing the language of the Fritz-software doesn't help. Does anyone know what language files I need to change and where those are located? |
| donf44 3/16/2005 20:06:22 [ report this post ] | Fritz vs. Chessmaster Message: For another 2 cents, I really love Fritz's features, once I figured them out. As good as Fritz is, the interface is so difficult to figure out and the manual is not much of a help. Chessmaster is great for playing games and selecting personalities but to try and adjust Fritz is just tough. I ever play a very simple game or it blows me away and I am having a hard time fine tuning. Have fun. |
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