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| ccmcacollister 1/29/2005 11:43:06 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: It MIGHT Be cheating, IF ...Message: Once upon a time; I heard a Comedian doing a skit called "You might be a Red-Neck, IF ... " (Jeff Fox Worthy, I believe it twas !?) *** Well on note, I thought it might be Entertaining as a Chess prospect of : "It might be cheating If ... ' Where we can feel free to suggest, imply aor insinuate to our heart's content ... Just HOW/Why do you "know" your opponent is Cheating ?! (Even if you DONT REALLY know ... What gets your "Danger-Sense" hopping ?! And REALLY makes you WONDER ... Please feel free to get it off your chest here ! This is the unloading zone; and only one restriction [besides the usual Forum Rules, plus laws of your, State, County, Country, and Municipality as the case may be] and THAT restrict- ion is: " PLEASEdoNOTmentionANYnamesORniksSPECIFICALLY ! " And for that, Thank You very much. ]8-) Regards ... Craig A.C. I thought of this after I found a BRAND NEW way to "Look-Like" one is cheating ! So if you thought there was nothing New under the sun, take heart my friend. It just MIGHT Be !!!? ************** |
| ccmcacollister 1/29/2005 12:07:26 [ report this post ] | IT MIGHT BE CHEATING, if . . . Message: Your honorable opponent is able to MAKE HIS FIRST MOVE online ... BEFORE the Chessboard has appeared {...and I don't mean just the pieces! } !!!??! ******************* (... and you thought it couldn't happen ?! But it did happen to me just today at FICS, for the first time. How could this be done, without a plugged in Chess engine/program ?) ################## GK BLITZ TIP of the DAY: ....Here on GK/BrainBlitz, I've not ever seen an opponent be assigned to me before our Chessboard has appeared. But often it does assign your opponent & start the clocks before some or all Chesspieces have appeared ... yours and/or his. I used to wait for them to appear, taking up to 30 seconds! Until I found you can make moves before your pieces show-up! Handy ! Just click the Origin square & move it as if you could see the piece. It goes ahead & makes that move for you, starts his clock, & shows the Blue Boxes where either players last move began and ended ... as normal. As if you could see the pieces :) {This quirk is most common for your first game of the day.} ******************************************** |
| ccmcacollister 1/29/2005 12:17:37 [ report this post ] | I'm sorry I forgot to mention ... Message: BESIDES serving as a place to vent out griefs on this subject & provide some levity & entertainment, ... ANOTHER & CONSTRUCTIVE INTENT IS HERE, that being ... IF you KNOW SOME PERFECTLY RATIONAL EXPLANATION FOR THESE : Things That Happen ................... PLEASE DO LET US KNOW ! ..... IMHO, It's always good to hear it's not as bad as it seems. |
| bananaman1 1/29/2005 12:25:38 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating if... Message: ...your opponent is rated 600 points below yours. ...you plug the game into your chess computer and it gives back all the same moves that he has been making. >>Then you're both cheating :) << You might be a redneck if... ...your porch collapses and kills five dogs ...you have 10 trucks and only one has an engine ...the value of your truck fluxuates with the amount of gasoline in the tank |
| bananaman1 1/29/2005 14:14:41 [ report this post ] | correction Message: The first it might be cheating needs to have and still beats you attached to the end. Sorry about the mistake. |
| jjw109 1/29/2005 17:00:15 [ report this post ] | If fritz says... Message: If might be cheating if your opponent tells you: "You need to resign. Fritz says Mate in 9!" |
| apastpawn 1/29/2005 22:49:50 [ report this post ] | Might be if - Message: Your opponent has a very unusual name and says they are the current xxxx age group chess champion of xxxx country. You go to the official web site and find his Elo is 600 points lower. Of course not the champ. Happened recently here. |
| bergil 1/30/2005 02:50:58 [ report this post ] | Hmmmm Message: Was that opponent a former member of VB-XXXX team, until he was kicked off. Then tried to join another team and found nobody wants a cheat on their team. His chess on the internet has really improved him, from 1338 ACF rating to 1950+ GK rating. |
| skipwallace555 1/30/2005 10:52:34 [ report this post ] | Wellllll Message: Your opponet might be using a program if he says to you on the 15th move "mate in 32" I got even with him though, I lasted till 34. |
| shakhmat 1/31/2005 09:18:32 [ report this post ] | what if??? Message: You're playing someone with a fairly low rating, who in other games makes obvious blunders, and then plays against you like a master? This has happened to me several times.... |
| blackbaron 1/31/2005 10:23:36 [ report this post ] | Message: I know what you mean shakmat . I played in a tournamnet and was destroyed twice by a guy rated 200 below me...then he proceeded to make horrible blunders in ALL other games in tourney...why not against me ! |
| ecfchamps2002 1/31/2005 11:49:53 [ report this post ] | Undefeated Message: It might be cheating if... Your opponent hasn't lost or drawn a single game and all of their past wins come in less than 30 moves. I am playing two such examples right now. |
| onlygb 1/31/2005 16:15:33 [ report this post ] | Timing is everything Message: They might be cheating if... You notice that their moves take exactly the same amount of time it takes to enter a move into a computer for "testing" purposes and despite the fact that you reply to their moves instantaneously and take them into a very deep line of the Closed Sicilian, they never make a single mistake and never take longer than exactly the "right amount of time" to determine their perfect move. |
| apastpawn 1/31/2005 17:30:23 [ report this post ] | If Message: after capture of a pawn, you respond "thought you might take en-passant". Their reply is "en-passant?" |
| spurtus 2/01/2005 08:49:24 [ report this post ] | Might be cheating ...if... Message: They can mate with a bishop and knight... god knows how to do this easily! Spurtus. |
| sugarandspice 2/01/2005 11:09:38 [ report this post ] | If... Message: You notice a player has a team rating more than 600 points below their regular GK rating. Also discovering that the player in question is resigning team games against opponents 600 points below their rating at move 7?!?! |
| apastpawn 2/01/2005 11:21:22 [ report this post ] | Huh? Message: How would a team captain ever let someone play a game thats 600 points off? I still don't understand the reasoning for resigning team games. Please enlighten me sugarandspice. |
| apastpawn 2/01/2005 11:29:49 [ report this post ] | also Message: The reason a person's team Elo is much lower could be due to playing only a few team games and not having a chance to bring it up. The team Elo (to me) is like a members worth to the team and not a true Elo. |
| sugarandspice 2/01/2005 12:26:22 [ report this post ] | Clarification Message: Apologies for a poor explanation on my part. I understand that many players team ELO is lower than their standard GK ELO for perfectly legitimate reasons as you rightly stated. I checked the details I stated above a few of days ago, upon checking again it appears the player is no longer on a team, but still the points difference remains on the profile. GK ELO in 1700s Team ELO 1100s. As for reasoning behind what player's actions regarding team games, I have no idea. Also noted, an overall dramatic drop in points (hundreds of points dropped in a short space of time). Checking their past games it was evident that over a single 24 hour period the player resigned around 55 games, a significant number of which (havent checked all of them) were also started on that very same day and then resigned after only 4, 5, 6 moves etc. That to me would appear to be a deliberate attempt to lower their rating, whether for team purposes to get better match ups or some other reason that I cannot fathom. I really dont understand why a player would continue to start games that they had no intention of completing. |
| apastpawn 2/01/2005 14:38:14 [ report this post ] | Other possible reasons: Message: To lower their Elo prior to GK tourney. To stick it to a team before quiting the team. or- A legitamate reason came up and instead of postponement chose to resign. Why not ask them? |
| luke666 2/03/2005 06:15:34 [ report this post ] | Might be cheating if: Message: Say, during a tournament online someone rated 1000 below you plays out of his skin, wins all four games against you with ease, up his rating to 2000 above during that tournament and then seems to even off back to 1000 below you again further into the future.....For this, you end up coming 2nd instead of first ;) This doesnt relate to me whatsoever, honest |
| i_play_slowly 2/03/2005 19:52:42 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating if: Message: ...your opponent's past game history indicates that he regularly plays against people with ratings anywhere from 800 to 1800 and is just as likely to beat 1800 and lose to 800. Where's the challenge in playing repeatedly against ratings 800-1000 if he's capable of beating a rating of 1800? Why bother? Of course, it's all the same if he's just feeding the moves to Chessmaster. Or how could you beat a rating of 1800 then lose to a rating of 1200? Well, a guy does like to really play chess himself once in a while. Just feeding Chessmaster all the time could get kinda boring! |
| i_play_slowly 2/03/2005 20:00:43 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating if... Message: ...your opponent's rating graph is a vertical red line. Or Fischer could be challenging you from Iceland. But probably the former. |
| i_play_slowly 2/03/2005 20:03:09 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating if... Message: ...your opponent has three bishops. |
| i_play_slowly 2/03/2005 20:08:24 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating if... Message: ...you're playing Black, but you coulda swore you were playing White before you went to the washroom. |
| i_play_slowly 2/03/2005 20:13:46 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating if... Message: ...you've tossed five of your opponent's pawns in the box, and he still has four on the board. |
| i_play_slowly 2/03/2005 20:18:05 [ report this post ] | It could be cheating if... Message: ...your opponent gets you a drink, and twenty minutes later your pieces are singing "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane. |
| i_play_slowly 2/03/2005 20:24:39 [ report this post ] | It could be cheating if... Message: ...you've won the first two games using Fool's Mate, and now your opponent is proposing you play best three out of five at a thousand dollars per game. |
| bananaman1 2/04/2005 17:07:29 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating if... Message: ...on blitz chess all the pieces suddenly disapear and all you can see is the blue markings of where pieces get moved. |
| donf44 2/05/2005 19:37:11 [ report this post ] | Opponents Resigning Massive Games Message: I've wondered why a person I was playing resigned in a position where they had the upper hand, not a win but looking better. I then saw that the person resigned about 20 games that day and dropped the rating about 400 points. Still not sure why you would do that. I thought this was about fun. To bad I spent about 35 moves on a game that ended without reason. Lessons learned. |
| i_play_slowly 2/06/2005 15:37:24 [ report this post ] | Re: Opponents Resigning Massive Games Message: I am guessing that you felt prompted to share your experience in this particular thread because its topic is cheating, and you felt cheated of the opportunity to finish that game. However, I can think of at least three legitimate reasons why a person might want to drop 20 games, none of which are connected to cheating. Firstly, there might have been a sudden demand on his time, like a new full-time job, or a serious illness in the family. Secondly, he might have been worried about becoming addicted to chess and was trying to control his habit (chess, like gambling, absolutely has the potential for becoming an addictive behaviour). Thirdly, a combination of one and two, either his wife or his employer might have told him he was spending too much time playing chess and firmly suggested that he rearrange his priorities immediately. I can also see how, given any one of these reasons, your opponent might have felt disinclined to explain the reason for his resignations. Chess is surely supposed to be about fun, but there are times when obligations intrude, and there are other times when fun stops being fun (ask any recovering addict). * In any case, allow me to offer two suggestions for your consideration. Firstly, before you accept a challenge, or definitely before it becomes too late to cancel, take a look at your opponent's total games in progress. If it is above a certain number (your predetermined ceiling), decline the engagement. Secondly, analyze that game and figure out what your opponent had done to give him the superior position and what you could have done better. As the game lasted 35 moves, it must have lessons to offer as recompense for the disappointment it caused. |
| jjw109 2/06/2005 19:14:09 [ report this post ] | donf44's opponent Message: id=donf44 , that does seem to be rather bizarre behavoir of your opponent. I agree with the comments of i_play_slowly in general, but none of those suggestions seem to apply in your situation. Many games were literally dumped but then numerous additional games were started the same day. Maybe the player liked to play fast as many games were started and finished the same day too, so maybe games that were going slower she just dumped. Don't see how it's technically cheating, but can understand your frustration. |
| futile 2/07/2005 07:46:55 [ report this post ] | Large Dump of Games Message: Might clear things up if you directly ask that player the reason. |
| donf44 2/07/2005 09:48:19 [ report this post ] | Dump of Games Message: futile, I did ask and the response is an off the comment about doing something different for no apparent reason at all. As jjw109 says, this isn't technically cheating but it is technically frustrating. The win is not rewarding when I'm not sure that I was going to win in the first place. |
| futile 2/07/2005 10:06:03 [ report this post ] | I understand... Message: the frustration donf44, you were cheated of the chance to play to a satisfactory conclusion. However, I know of the person in question and I believe fun did have a role in those circumstances. It, of course, depends on your interpretation of fun. |
| zugzwang85 2/07/2005 12:48:25 [ report this post ] | You're opponent might be cheating if... Message: ...he has many other users playing from the same computer and all those other users have a huge winning streak against all high rated opponents and then suddenly they play someone else who is cheating and lose so they stop logging onto that name and let all their remaining games timeout because he wants to be undeafeted... |
| pawns-kill 2/07/2005 19:32:01 [ report this post ] | PAWNS-KILL Message: COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND,ZUGZWANANG85,I also have played guys who have like 8 other players playing from the same computer.rating ranges,from 900 to 1300.their was one 1700 player in the group.i find that strange,red flag for me.but who knows whats gong on.i hope they are not cheating they only cheating them selfs,but i wish to know if im playing a comp.cheat.well i asked this player why so many on your computor.he replyed i run a half way house and they like chess.i think i lost that game:) |
| silurasglanis 2/09/2005 17:56:07 [ report this post ] | Cheating Message: Firstly as I am new to Gameknot let me say high on behalf of my self, ,my wife and son. My wife and I are playing chess for the first time in 10 years, this is true for my son also who has not played since he was 5. Cheating is an area of concern for us, although no more than it used to be in correspondence chess. (difference then was you needed a lot of money to get a comp that was not a complete idiot and even then .......... well they were cr*p) Secondly what can we expect from the players of a given rating, I used to have a BCF Grade and a BCF Rapid Play one as well, I also had a British Corres Chess Society grade. But we have no idea what to expect from say a 1000, 1500, 1800 or even a 2000 on here, so can't tell if their play is suspicious. It is nice to see that things have not changed that much whilst we have been away LOL. Grades have always been exploited to earn cash on the weekend circuit, I used to see the "pros" as my wife and I travelled the country playing most weekends. On multiple ids, there are three on this computer. myself, my wife (who also used to have a BCF grade) and my eldest son who has not played anyone beyond immediate family before. I have 3 more kids to bring on line in due course..... On chess computers. My mother is still having regular games with a Chess Challenger 10 acquired in circa 1980, when I believe it was world microchamp. I bet they are rare these days...... Cheers PS, I also have an extensive library of books which are out of date by at least 10 years. So I have some sympathy with the guy in the other thread. |
| misato 2/15/2005 07:11:54 [ report this post ] | Counter-example Message: I_play_slowly stated above: It might be cheating if... ...your opponent has three bishops. Please have a look at board #2573715 Neither me nor my opponent have been cheating (transforming the black promoted Pb1 into a Queen would have caused an end by stale-mate). But in order to extinguish the suspicion of cheating the number of black bishops on the board will hopefully change soon ... (Take this as a joke, I know the meaning of the word "might") |
| i_play_slowly 2/15/2005 10:09:01 [ report this post ] | misato Message: If I had just happened to discover your game while surfing around Gameknot, I would have decided it was time for me to clean my glasses or go to bed. Are you going for the world record? It could go down in history as the Vatican game. |
| pawns-kill 2/28/2005 12:03:46 [ report this post ] | misato Message: lol damm now iv seen it all 4 black bishops am i seeing things.is this for real if so did u report this to the webmaster? |
| mightytiny 2/28/2005 15:53:38 [ report this post ] | pawns-kill... Message: ...there's nothing impossible about having four bishops - after all, you are allowed to underpromote your pawns, you don't have to choose the queen if you don't want to. And underpromotion was indeed what happened in this game, just look at the move list. Nothing illegal there. It may be unusual, but not impossible at all! :) |
| pawns-kill 2/28/2005 19:14:52 [ report this post ] | mightytiny Message: must have been in a daze last night yes very true indeed:)though very cruel |
| giuco_piano_guy 3/02/2005 16:36:07 [ report this post ] | It might be cheating IF... Message: ...the game says you've been checkmated before you make your first move. ...the game won't let you capture any pieces. ...your opponent's queen begins warping around the board, capturing all your pieces. These all happened to me on another site... |
| matrixmanne0 3/06/2005 09:00:19 [ report this post ] | It MIGHT be cheating if... Message: ...someone tells you that after the following variation, he will checkmate: 23. c2 f6 24. xf6+ xf6 25. e2 xd1+ (eval -0.80; depth 13 ply; 150M nodes) |
| i_play_slowly 3/07/2005 19:52:32 [ report this post ] | Time warp Message: It might be cheating if your opponent's half hour is twice as long as yours. |
| giuco_piano_guy 4/03/2005 18:35:17 [ report this post ] | spurtus Message: yes...it is difficult to checkmate with nothing but bishop and knight, but possible. A book called WINNING CHESS ENDINGS gives a very detailed explanation of that process. |
| giuco_piano_guy 4/04/2005 11:10:55 [ report this post ] | It MIGHT be cheating IF... Message: ...you find an ultra-brilliant move, and your opponent tells you, "HEY! Why didn't Chessmaster pick that up?" |
| alstirek 4/04/2005 21:49:54 [ report this post ] | might involve some cheatin' when... Message: a team with average player rating of 1450 achieves a team rating of 1730 goes undefeated for 36 games with not a single matchup with less than a 100 point advantage. crazy, but true. -> gameknot.com ok, not necessarily cheating, but certainly some unethical play. |
| ccmcacollister 4/17/2005 19:52:40 [ report this post ] | Your Gk BrainBlitz opponent Message: *** PS/ HELP !! Will some kind soul Please put this Thread "out of its misery" now ?! :) |
| cairo 4/18/2005 00:23:00 [ report this post ] | Your Message: Cairo |
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