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| dulceteldritch 2/26/2005 11:41:55 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Queen Obsessions!Message: It's so funny that I have to mention it.... has anyone else ever noticed the un-natural obsession some have with the queen? At times it's as if more effort is placed on persuing and capturing that token, than is on the rest of the game. Kind of like chasing someone else's wife in a way... :D LOL.... seriously though (maybe not so seriously).... it's enough that it could give some queens a complex! Even the most flamboyant of them! Anyone else ever notice that? How much attention is heaped on that toke. |
| marxisgod21 2/26/2005 13:10:12 [ report this post ] | Chess Complexes Message: Speaking of the psychology impacts of chess play, I remember seeing somewhere an article that speculated about the psychologyical impacts (particularly on younger chessplayers) of the concept of pawn promotion and the idea that a pawn (presumably personifying a male) could be "promoted" to a queen (a female piece). |
| farhadexists 2/27/2005 04:58:19 [ report this post ] | Message: I always try to swap queens as early as possible...hmmm I wonder what that means...any ideas? |
| futile 2/28/2005 10:11:19 [ report this post ] | Male/Female roles in Chess Message: Also of interest: -The Queen is the most powerful piece while the King is the weakest. -The King is the object of the game, is endlessly pursued by the opposite Queen and is put in Mate by the opposite Queen more often than by other pieces. -Most chess players are male. I speculate that this contraposition of male/female roles was intended to (subliminally) inject a note of desperation and realism into the play. What I mean is that the players, being mostly male, subconsciously identify with the King (male) and fear the power of the Queen (female) and as chess has been played primarily in male dominated societies; to be dominated and subjugated by a female is the worst humiliation so therefore is to be vigorously avoided. On a subconscious level chess (for males) is treated as a real battle, as if the struggle is not merely a game at all. I'm sure that any Freudians out there could elaborate on this more fully. |
| silurasglanis 3/01/2005 04:02:02 [ report this post ] | Its more sinister than that Message: The theories I read identify the king with the father and being good at chess implied (suppressed ?) patricidal tendencies. Particularly popular when Fischer was at the fore and his father having been absent during his childhood. There were some others regarding the nether regions which I will not avdocate in a family forum.. |
| futile 3/01/2005 09:07:35 [ report this post ] | King/Father Queen/Mother Message: You can also use the nuclear family as an analogy of chess and it's components: (I will use the traditionally large family) -First the Pawns are the little children, doing what limited work they can. -Secondly the pieces are the older children, able to do more: Queen side=girls, King side=boys -Third the Queen is the Mother, running around keeping order and leading the work. -Finally the King is the Father, hardly moving, watching the action around him and joining in when it's mostly over. The theory of suppressed patricide by being good at chess fits as, in chess, the King is a liability for most of the game and to excel at chess is to, in fact, step into you mother's shoes and run the household. In this case it is best to leave out any Oedipal factors (family forum and all). |
| theswiftone 3/01/2005 15:04:25 [ report this post ] | Message: Quote "It's so funny that I have to mention it.... has anyone else ever noticed the un-natural obsession some have with the queen? At times it's as if more effort is placed on persuing and capturing that token, than is on the rest of the game. Kind of like chasing someone else's wife in a way... :D LOL.... seriously though (maybe not so seriously).... it's enough that it could give some queens a complex! Even the most flamboyant of them!" Yeah ive noticed this. I play 1.d4. If my opponent plays 1.e6. I play 2.e4. People who like playing with their queen tend to play Qh4. Which i like to play a little gambit....3.Nf3 Qxe4+ 4.Be2......then next move Nc3 Hitting the queen again. So i have 3 pieces out, I am ready to castle, i have easy development and am kicking the queen around..... all for the cost of a pawn. |
| dokesa 3/01/2005 15:35:14 [ report this post ] | king's value Message: >>The Queen is the most powerful piece while the King is the weakest. Actually, the King has a value of about 4 in the endgame, good for third place. On the other hand, if you play chess variants, the Amazon is more powerful than a Queen, and a Lady of the Night is more powerful than an Amazon. |
| adamastor 3/01/2005 19:23:23 [ report this post ] | perhaps... Message: ...chess is just a game... givin meaning to things comes from our own ideas. sometimes things are just things and perhaps chess pieces have no, whatsoever, relation between our social roles. But, and i must say this without enter in speculation that there are some psychanalisys studys about chess, not based on what futile said (that seemed kind of reich�ian) but on what silurasglanis said its "supposed" to be true. it was Dr. Ernest Jones who did a study on Morphy�s life and did come up with interesting points about the relationship of morphy with his father. But this is all psychik speculation... with psychology we see a diferent perspective... a more direct one... our own internal caracteristics (meaning personality) determines the type of player we are, this way what we play on a board comes as a result of what we are... if you want to learn more about yourself simply analyse the behaviour pattern on your games... of course this has no significative value and its all speculation... :) sometimes things are just what they are... |
| futile 3/02/2005 09:46:46 [ report this post ] | Things Message: This is true that things are just things, however humans naturally attach emotions and feelings to objects. You cannot measure anything without changing it, so you cannot play chess (or pick up a rock) without somehow changing it. In the case of a rock it ceases to be a rock and becomes a tool, or a weapon or a piece of jewelry, or anything that the person attaches to it. Fundamentally it still is a rock but it's value (as a tool for example) comes from us. Chess also is made up of just pieces of wood, or stone, or glass but the effect of playing chess changes what we are in more ways than can be measured. This change comes from within the player and not from without. The game canges as well; it becomes a bore, or a crutch, or an all consuming obsession. Again because of what we attach to it. Nothing is just what it appears to be. |
| adamastor 3/02/2005 11:38:24 [ report this post ] | thats why i said perhaps... Message: :) |
| pawns-kill 3/02/2005 12:26:10 [ report this post ] | marxisgod21 Message: i agree that yes i love to promote.its a power trip to turn that little pawn into a queen.and its not easy but i often do.people jole at me the power of the pawn is great it protects and sets up ther peices.im no master though some take my nick persanal.but yes to think im going for that female peice:)piece of pie ill take but dont want to become a female no lol :) |
| pawns-kill 3/02/2005 12:32:32 [ report this post ] | queen obsesstion Message: yes this is true its like u allways have atleast one eye on that queen wanting to throw her around.but as we know develope first.ones who pull her out on the secound move or as soon as they can dont do to well against higher ratings hehe but they soon lear as they play more study is to develope so true dulcet.:) |
| pawns-kill 3/02/2005 15:06:55 [ report this post ] | futile Message: your comment is so so true freind:) |
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