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nobodyknowmypain 4/11/2005 08:48:54 [ report this post ]	Subject: Stupid game stallers! Message: board #2903599 This is my game against Tabsy. Now, I'm no Gary Kasparov, but this game has been dragging for over a month. I'm white, and I have 4 pawns, rook and king, against his lone king and rook and he has no pawns. There's no possible way he could of drawn/won this game since a long time coming. The problem is, it will still probably take 20 moves mathematicly to win this game via a checkmate, and if he takes a full 3 days for each move like he normally does, that's another whole month! I mean seriously, what's the point of him holding on to this game? He's a 1650 rated player, I'm sure he knows this is hopeless and pointless, why, why, why?! ARGH! Notice from GameKnot: nobodyknowmypain has lost his/her forum posting privileges as a result of this post (personal insults, discussing a game in progress).
spurtus 4/11/2005 09:05:41 [ report this post ]	Message: I couldn't possibly comment on a game in progress, but if the tedious time spent mating is going to annoy you I suggest then just simply resign, unless of course you are very precious about your rating?... you will recover the lost rating points over time.... and you and your opponent will know personally that you if fact won the game in this sort of situation, thats what counts at the end of the day isnt it. Its best not to be too precious about rating I think to get the best enjoyment of this game. Spurtus.
oblique 4/11/2005 09:19:55 [ report this post ]	spurtus Message: couple points. precious isn't a verb.. secondly, if this guy is stalling, then he isn't the type to really care who won or lost the game. resigning against him would just give him a bundle of satisfaction. i say, put this guy on ignore, grind out the victory, and move on.
nobodyknowmypain 4/11/2005 09:48:42 [ report this post ]	I agree with oblique Message: Why should I give him his pts when I worked hard for the win? Do you beleive in dictatorships or something? Anyways, such endgames are always a nightmare in correspondance chess, because they are easy to stall. One particular nightmare is when you have a rook and king and he has a king and two pawns, those are routine wins for the rook side, but take several moves, and a quick mate is out of the question due to him shielding his king with pawns, right now, my own pawns are shielding his king somewhat, so that wastes time too. A lucena position won endgame also takes forever in correspondance. You're right, all I can do is simply wait longer, the game started march 12th, and it could of ended long ago, it's frustrating, he's a non subscriber too and doesn't seem to care about emptying a slot either, unbeleivable. As for not commenting on a game in progress, don't be so rethorical, a guy learning how the peices move for the first time could win this for white. And don't say he has stalemate chances by sacking his rook, the g5 square is open, maybe I should kindly point that out to him?! :scratches head:
cairo 4/11/2005 09:48:45 [ report this post ]	There Message: is only one place you should complain about this and that is to the webmaster. I can fully understand your frustration, but I think it is wrong to expose in public a live game for comments. Best wishes Cairo PS! Good advise by oblique to put ignorants and similar on your NO PLAY LIST, I allready did it :-))
mate_you_in_fifty 4/11/2005 13:48:12 [ report this post ]	i agree Message: Resigning a won game sends the message "if I stall every lost game, my opponent will lose patience, resign and I will gain points" which just worsens the problem. I suggest grinding it out like someone suggested and let that be your last game against that opponent.
misato 4/11/2005 14:07:39 [ report this post ]	Rules of conduct (excerpt) Message: 1. You may not harass, badger, threaten or rush other players. 4. You may not artificially manipulate your rating. It includes, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, resigning multiple games with equal or winning positions, letting multiple games time out while still visiting GameKnot, intentionally losing games to lower your rating in general. (end of excerpt) Furthermore have a short look at FAQs, no. 25 and 26: There is nothing you can do about it rather than stay calm, make your best moves, crush your opponent on the board and never play him again. There is no need to send a complaint to the webmaster or any forum unless you want to jeopardize your forum privileges - I wouldn�t like to be called stupid by any opponent. Or make this game a fun game for yourself: Try to mate him on d5 without using a queen or mate him with 4 knights or ... (Lately I had a game with four bishops of mine, but this had other reasons than stalling - at least I wasn�t annoyed.) Don�t try to understand other players, understanding their moves is more important - and sometimes easier.
spurtus 4/11/2005 14:14:35 [ report this post ]	Message: Well if your are not going to resign, and if drawing doesnt seem like fun, then there is one last thing you can do .... Employ the counter-stall ! ( not that I condone such behaviour )... but if games go this way it can be the opportunity to have some real fun for once ;) ...Have you learnt to mate with only knight and bishop?, that should take a few months on those time controls. Good luck, I'll be watching this game so no excuses for not winning it now! Preciously, Spurt ;)
azaris 4/11/2005 14:58:37 [ report this post ]	Some less forcing ways... Message: ...to signal your opponent it's time to resign: 1. Challenge him to a "rematch" before the first game is over. 2. Sacrifice material to simplify down. When he's down to pawns it usually becomes tedious to play since there are no swindles anymore. 3. Play the strangest moves possible that guarantee a win. You'll have fun coming up with crazy moves in a totally winning position and your opponent will become frustrated when he realizes you're toying with him. 4. Use your extra material to completely tie him up. 5. Just make lots of easy moves at a rapid pace and enjoy the luxury of having at least one active game where you don't have to rack your brain every day or risk falling to some awful booby trap.
se_santi 4/11/2005 15:16:18 [ report this post ]	CounterStall... Message: That idea is a very good one... I guess games against guys who play slowly will finish by 2006... :)
futile 4/11/2005 15:26:37 [ report this post ]	Zen Thought of the Day Message: Patience is the nature of the game. Impatience has lost many games. Look upon stalling as an invitation to practice winning.
leo_london 4/11/2005 17:02:45 [ report this post ]	I understand Message: your frustration but 40+ moves since the 12th March doesnt seem that slow. Plus, I agree with cairo, making such detailed comments concerning an on-going game could land you in trouble. You will just have to grin and bear it, stay polite and dont play him again.
i_play_slowly 4/11/2005 18:54:38 [ report this post ]	goal-oriented vs. process-oriented Message: The following thoughts are meant to be a serious response to your rhetorical question, Why? Why? Why? Goal-oriented people often feel frustrated by process-oriented people and often misunderstand them. In this case, it sounds as if you are goal-oriented, i.e., you are looking forward to the win, which seems to be a forgone conclusion. It also seems as if your opponent, by taking the full amount of time to which he is entitled, merely intends to stand in the way of your goal, i.e., he is stalling. Perhaps, however, your opponent is more process-oriented. If the situation were reversed and he were winning, he might still be using the full amount of time to which he is entitled, simply because he is interested in making the best possible moves. He is not stalling, then, but simply pursuing his 'personal best'. From a process-oriented perspective, your opponent now has an excellent opportunity to practice his endgame skills, and he may not want to forgo this learning opportunity by resigning. Indeed, if the situation were reversed and you resigned, your opponent might feel disappointed by the win, simply because an opportunity to practice endgame skills had gone to waste. * Can he possibly beat you? Maybe not, although I think Capablanca could--which is to say, the outcome of the game is not guaranteed simply by the position. Of course, you would counter that your opponent is not Capablanca, but that does not stop your opponent from asking himself, "What would Capablanca's next move be, if he were playing the one playing against nobodyknowsmypain?" In any case, from a process-oriented perspective, your opponent may not be trying to win, nor even trying to delay defeat. Again, your opponent might only be trying to make the best possible move, given the position. * Some of the responses in this thread strike me as unecessarilly unsympathetic--some unsympathetic to your opponent, and some unsympathetic to you. My response does not involve suggestions re: how to give your opponent a hard time, nor is it meant to give you a hard time. I would simply suggest that you use the remainder of the game to polish your endgame skills. Some day, playing OTB, you might be glad that you played today's game to its dregs. Happy hunting!

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