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| jamesdriggs 4/18/2005 11:32:14 [ report this post ] |
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| jstack 4/19/2005 04:47:16 [ report this post ] | smothered mates Message: |
| blackbaron 4/19/2005 07:42:33 [ report this post ] | Message: |
| jamesdriggs 4/19/2005 08:14:31 [ report this post ] | Message: below are a few sites about smothered mates -> chess.about.com -> www.chessgames.com -> www.chessville.com |
| jstack 4/19/2005 10:05:07 [ report this post ] | smothered mate Message: 1) Nf7+ Kg8 2.) Ng6 double check Kh8 3) Qg8+ RxQ 4) Nf7 mate - I wrote this without the use of a board. Hopefully I did not make any mistakes and it all makes sense. |
| spurtus 4/20/2005 09:32:03 [ report this post ] | Message: I'm always on the look out for them in my games, but usually I find they cant be setup very easily... I think you need a multitude of threats going on to force the castled king NOT to take a saced piece, but instead for the castled rook to trap in the king. It would interesting for me if anybody knows what prerequisites you normally need to know that there might be a smothered mate on the go. Spurtrus. |
| ccmcacollister 4/20/2005 11:12:45 [ report this post ] | Prerequisites ?! Message: *** 1)The mating side must have a knight, or promote to one, to deliver the fatal check 2)The target king must have all flight squares blocked; thus surrounded by pieces of either side aor edge of the board. 3)There cannot be a piece that can capture on the square from which the N will deliver the coup de grace. ... And I think that's about it, assuming the side mating meets the laws of Chess; not leaving themself in Check, etc. *** So in the ultimate sense, there need be only a Knight and King on the mating side. The other side must then have at least 3 men left if his K is in a corner. But in a practical sense there are usually helpful pieces involved. Such as the Queen in the Philidor's Legacy {BTW Thanks jamesdriggs for teaching me the name of that, in your post. } Or there may be a Rook or Queen or even Bishop pinning a piece so that it cannot capture the Knight when it checks. Such as in this common trap in the Caro Kann: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Qe2!? Ngf6??? 6.Nd6 MATE -or- 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Qe2!? Ngf6??? 6.Nd6 MATE *** Whites Qe2 there IS trappy, but does also play out fairly well if BL plays 5...Ndf6 which is commonly considered correct play. Better than Ngf6 anyway, huh?! :) I've actaully nailed 2 players with the trap tho. Believe an "A" & "B" Class, in OTB tournaments. An Expert avoided it, but WT got a good game anyway. *** }8-) What about this, tho .... Suppose I have BLACK with a King on d8, Qc2 & Nd2 and WHITE has his King on a1. He also has a pawn somewhere like h4 just so no stalemate can occur. Now BL plays 1 ... Nb3+ MATE. Can this properly be considered a smothered mate ?! Since a Knight delivers the check, and all egress is forbidden by the Queen ? I don't know. I'm thinking it's not. But someone wise to this Please fill me in ! So I can sleep at night again ~! This kinda stuff Bugs me. |
| doctor_knight 4/20/2005 11:56:19 [ report this post ] | Message: Black King is on H8, he has two pawns blocking him at H7 and G7. His rook is at F8 The white Queen is attacking the G8 square from E6 with a bishop backing her up on the same diagonal and the white knight is at E5 Now if only that black rook weren't protecting the F7 square and were instead blocking the black king in at G8. Then white could simply move in with his knight to F7 for mate. Well, Qg8+ does the trick. Black must take the queen with his rook which loses to Nf7# This is the way I learned smothered mate. Most people have probably seen it in the books before, but it is a cool checkmate. |
| ccmcacollister 4/20/2005 19:22:22 [ report this post ] | The Oxford Companion to Chess by Hooper & Whyld Message: A MATE made by a knight, to a king that is surrounded by its own men; or more liberally defined, by pieces of either color. jstack , how unusual that your opponent didnt Learn to "see it coming" ! Hmmm A Philidors Legacy being about 4-5 move levels deep; Do you suppose . . . Oh, surely not . . . !? }8-) |
| jstack 4/21/2005 04:43:44 [ report this post ] | ccmcacollister Message: |
| ccmcacollister 4/22/2005 21:18:56 [ report this post ] | Had one tonight ! Message: *** I had one in blitz tonight that I almost missed, being a bit different. According to my own definition, and the Oxford Companion definition it was made from; this is NOT a smothered mate (??!) since the K is not "surrounded" by pieces. Yet the N gives the check and covers the one flight square at the same time. Seems to me like it should be one and the definition revised perhaps? Suppose? Went like this. *** 1.e4 d6 2.d4 e6!? a bit passive 3.Bd3!? a bit commital ...Nc6 4.Be3 Nb4? giving up tempo by moving the same piece twice, & later again. 5.c4 threatening Q+ then d5 to win the N. Also putting pawns on white since he'll doubtless take the Bd3. 5... Nxd3 6.Qxd3 c6 7.Nc3 d5? allowing center opening against WT's development is a mistake. It Was getting cramped for him tho. But now WT can open lines to attack whenever it suits him. 8.Nge2 b6 9.cxd5 cxd5 10.exd5 exd5 11.Nf4 h6? (DEVELOP, my friend!) 12.o-o g5 13.Nfxd5 Nge7 ?? 14.Nf6 ++# *** So his Ke8 was surrounded by his Qd8,Bf8,Ne7,pf7 but the Nf6 covers d7 while mating. }8-) |
| soikins 4/23/2005 02:04:15 [ report this post ] | Smothered mate Message: [Event "www.KasparovChess.com rated blitz game"] [Site "www.KasparovChess.com"] [Date "2002.07.17"] [Round "?"] [White "Soikins"] [Black "lohs"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "E16"] [WhiteElo "1582"] [BlackElo "1662"] [FEN 6k1/5p1p/1q2p1p1/3p1n2/6n1/4PNP1/1P3PBP/1RR3K1 b - - 0 29] For those who don't know what FEN is: White: Kg1, Rb1 and c1, Bg1, Nf3, p b2, e3, f3, g3, h2 Black: Kg8, Qb6, Nf5, Ng4, p d6, e6, f7, g6, h7 White to move I think this example ilustrates something. Now I wouln'd play something like 29. e3?? and not because I would "see" the mate, but because the move is simply wrong. I wouldn't think over position for a second, my hand would play Rf1 because it is the right move. This is what pattern recognition gives you, you simply "feel" that there is a danger around the f2 square and you defend it. You don't need to calculate the 6 move combination, you just know that it probably is somewhere out there. 29. e3?? (29. Rf1 with an edge for white) 29... Nfxe3! a great shot that I missed 30. fxe3 allows mate in 5. I saw that, but it would be just stupid from me to play something else, because then black's win is a matter of technique, but now it is a beauty 30... Qxe3+ 31. Kh1 Nf2+ 32. Kg1 Nh3+ 33. Kh1 Qg1+!! 34. Nxg1 Nf2# 0-1 |
| soikins 4/23/2005 02:08:18 [ report this post ] | correction Message: 6k1/5p1p/1q2p1p1/3p1n2/6n1/5NP1/1P2PPBP/1RR3K1 w - - 0 29 White: Kg1, Rb1 and c1, Bg1, Nf3, p b2, e2, f3, g3, h2 Black: Kg8, Qb6, Nf5, Ng4, p d6, e6, f7, g6, h7 White to move |
| rose-quarz 5/09/2005 02:43:38 [ report this post ] | A Smothered Mate Message: WT: Taylor BL: Cody 1980 1. c4 g5 2. d4 Bg7 3. e3 h6 4. Ne2 e5 5. e4 f5 6. d5 f4 7. Bd2 Na6 8. a3 Nc5 9. b4 Nd3# |
| cedsed 5/09/2005 13:13:13 [ report this post ] | A Memorable Game Message: Justin |
| giuco_piano_guy 5/11/2005 12:19:06 [ report this post ] | Fun fun fun Message: |
| bananaman1 5/11/2005 18:19:21 [ report this post ] | Message: are quite fun. |
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