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| ledingdong 8/25/2005 18:38:17 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: player ratingsMessage: Also I play a lot of Blitz games.. I think it would be nice to have a separate rating system for these and perhaps generation of pgn at the end of each game, although I know there are problems to address with the rating idea like lost connections and stuff.. but the pgn thing could be very useful... I know it's still in beta anyway but just a thought :) |
| umpito 8/25/2005 20:15:25 [ report this post ] | ratings Message: |
| mightytiny 8/26/2005 02:36:59 [ report this post ] | Message: I think many (most?) people, perhaps intermediate or better, do spend more time analyzing moves in CC chess, so if you move just like you do in OTB, and your opponent is more careful, then you're going to be beat by people that would be lower rated than you in "real life". Which means that your rating here will be lower than it is in OTB. If you do play more carefully here, and really use the extra time to analyze carefully, then I suspect you can play somewhat above your OTB level. I myself dabble around 1600 here, but in the Chessbase's playchess server, in fast games, I've gotten a rating about a hundred points above that. I think that that is probably because I occasionally do commit the sin of moving too fast, and not analyzing as thoroughly as I should here. |
| chuckventimiglia 8/26/2005 05:45:37 [ report this post ] | My CC rating here is almost..... Message: about 2150. They track very nicely. Chuck |
| kansaspatzer 8/26/2005 08:11:50 [ report this post ] | hmm Message: |
| bananaman1 8/26/2005 19:04:31 [ report this post ] | Message: |
| chuckventimiglia 8/27/2005 06:36:29 [ report this post ] | If you do not have a USCF...... Message: you in the <1600. It takes 20 games [I think] to get an established rating. |
| ccmcacollister 8/27/2005 07:59:22 [ report this post ] | Some Info for UK (BCF) Ratings: Message: *** Comparing USCF Elo to Fide Elo ... I don't know of any conversion. The USCF rating used to be a bit inflationary compared to FIDE back in the 1970's and 80's due to USCF using a Bonus Point calculation for persons having an exceptional tournament result. So for EG Fischers USCF around 2800 was a bit over 2700 in FIDE. And many players would be 50-100 points higher rated in USCF then. Then USCF stopped the Bonus points. If that is still true, then perhaps they are more parallel now?! (anyone know?) Some USCF tournaments are also FIDE tournaments and rated under both. Some are just one or the other. So they are not fully rating the same events. And that would vary them to each other also. Comparing to GK ratings?! Hard to compare since this is Correspondence Style play, and more like unto Postal than to OTB play. Some players can be 100's of points better or worse at one or the other. In purely objective strength of the play in a game, any corr type game is going to be maybe 100 to 400 points stronger play, IMO. For EG, a postal game played by a 2000 rated in postal may have moves as strong as a player rated 2100 to 2400 may make when playing OTB Chess. All very subjective however. And this is just my opinion based upon my experience and games/results I've seen over a couple or few decades. }8-) |
| e4e6 8/27/2005 15:39:49 [ report this post ] | Message: A lot depends on what you use the site for. I use it to mainly play thematic mini-tournaments involving openings I want to get some work on before playing them over the board. Because I use this site for experimentation, rather than say, playing the French Defense 300 times to jack up my gameknot rating, would also explain why I'm only around 1700 here, and 2000 over the board. Same thing goes for sites like ICC, where my Blitz rating is only about 1650. Part of that is, again, experimentation. For example: I have played a good number of games on ICC with 1.e4 c5 2.a3 as White, but not until today have I used it over the board, and low and behold, after many losses on ICC, I won today in only 26 moves. Other players have ratings of a good 200 or so higher on here. They play their pet lines, and win all the time for various reasons, whether it be that the opponent is experimenting with openings (as is the case with me), moves too quickly, doesn't care about results, or one of many other reasons. Therefore, I don't think there is any valid comparison between gameknot ratings, ICC ratings (or any other internet chess site that is not correspondence), and OTB ratings. |
| chuckventimiglia 8/27/2005 16:19:12 [ report this post ] | I will say again that my USCF... Message: rating. CC means Correspondence Chess. You cannot compare any CC rating with an OTB rating. They are two distinctly different forms of the game. |
| ledingdong 8/27/2005 17:29:40 [ report this post ] | Apples and Oranges Message: |
| umpito 8/27/2005 20:03:10 [ report this post ] | apples and oranges Message: Dan |
| magna68 8/31/2005 02:00:27 [ report this post ] | Why not umpito? Message: A 2000 OTB player could however hardly be 1000-1500 GK here unless spending less than one second on each move. Average OTB player (1700-1900) can "easily" be much higher rated here at GK, just question of how much time he spend on each game. cheers Bjorn |
| jstack 8/31/2005 10:20:51 [ report this post ] | gameknot ,OTB, and blitz Message: It seems to me this indicates there must be something in common between gameknot and blitz games that is absent in OTB. The most obvious is the timeout/disconnection factor. On gameknot you can win a lot of games just be making your move on time. This does not happen at OTB. Someone flag can fall in OTB but this usually happens because the position is difficult..not because they fail to show up. So, I feel you can get some free points just by playing online. But the amount of points gained this way is probably minimal. So there is probably something more. I think one thing is it is easier to get a game against weaker opposition online. You can play weak opposition all day and slowly gain rating points. In OTB the opportunity to play weaker opponents is rare. For one thing, most people play in class competitions where they never play anyone weaker than 200 points below them. So to gain rating points over the long term they actually have to play their best chess. Those who play in open tournaments do get to play weaker opponents sometimes but they also have to play much stronger oppposition...so it balances off. |
| silurasglanis 9/26/2005 05:26:59 [ report this post ] | Hmmm Message: |
| spurtus 9/27/2005 02:10:02 [ report this post ] | Message: I odnt play so great under time pressure OTB. |
| wschmidt 9/27/2005 11:53:59 [ report this post ] | My OTB USCF rating Message: Just last weekend, I was in the final game of a class tournament, competing for first place and was a piece up. I calculated a series of moves that I thought would win a rook for a bishop, not recognizing that when he captured the bishop his piece would be in a position to block my rook-winning check. The result was the loss of my piece advantage and a draw - and I finished in third place, out of the money. That doesn't happen at GK, of course, because I play out the sequences on the board and it's clear immediately which ones work and which ones don't. ws |
| paranoidyoshi 9/27/2005 16:51:01 [ report this post ] | My ratings vary Message: Here i'm 1214. At Yahoo I'm 1372. At Pogo I'm 1480. And at Instant Chess I'm around 1050. Amazing how ratings change. |
| chuckventimiglia 9/27/2005 17:03:30 [ report this post ] | I think in general..... Message: OTB rating. In CC since you have the time, the ability to reference openings and a lot less presure you are apt to make far fewer mistakes than you would make in OTB. Chuck |
| magna68 9/28/2005 03:17:26 [ report this post ] | silurasglanis Message: Many years back I did drew against GM Sergy Dolmatov in a 16 player simul. At that time he was ranked nr. 5 or 6 in the world, I was then a around 1900 player. In a normal game I would of course not had any change, but the few minutes I got while he was playing on the other tables did level the situation. This is why an average OTB player can gain much higher ratings in CC (like f.e mateintwo). Time well spent on every game can easily level the situation against much higher ranked OTB player if he's not putting to much effort into his CC games. I've lost some games here against players rated even 500 points less than me. But I've then simply reconized that I did not put enough effort into these games, and all merit to my opponent that obviously spent necessary time to beat me fair and square. Apart from this, I think in general players are always thinking to much of their ratings, who cares, just enjoy the game! All the best Bjorn |
| a_professional_idiot 9/29/2005 15:07:52 [ report this post ] | @Chuck Message: *looks at 2100OTB* *looks at 1700GK* *cries* |
| chuckventimiglia 9/29/2005 16:26:22 [ report this post ] | Hi!! Message: like OTB. If you do you will lose moreso than if you use the time you have allowed. Also, in CC [correspondence chess] venues you are allowed to consult with opening books, databases etc etc. If you do not you will lose moreso than if you do. CC is a totally different venue than OTB. You probably know all of this already. I notice on your profile that you take 2 mins or so for your move average so from that I conclude you do move along pretty fast. Maybe that is how you enjoy to play the game and if so then keep playing that way. Enjoyment of the game is the most important aspect. Chuck |
| v_glorioso12 10/06/2005 19:10:43 [ report this post ] | Hmmm Message: |
| mightytiny 10/07/2005 14:16:21 [ report this post ] | Wow! Message: Still, I think a 1900 player being below 1600 here seems a bit odd - though of course many factors play into your correspondence rating that don't come into play OTB. If you use databases, and study the positions using the board analysis feature (eliminating the need of strong visual memory to calculate long tactical lines), then I expect that your level of play is higher than OTB. That would mean that any players who did not take advantage of these possibilities would tend to do worse in correspondence chess than in OTB. Potentially, someone at 1500 - 1600 in OTB could posess a great deal of theoretical knowledge and positional understanding, but have weaknesses in the tactics department due to sub par visualization skills. That player could do much better than their rating in correspondence chess, where they can try out various lines on a side board before committing to them in game. Their theoretical knowledge could then allow them to rise well above their OTB level. Also, maybe it works vice versa too - maybe a strong OTB player whose main strength is a tallent for long tactical calculations and visualization, but whose theoretical knowledge and positional skills aren't quite up to speed with their tactics, maybe that player would suffer in CC, because in the area of pure calculation, the plaing field may be leveled by the availability of a side board to supplement visual memory. Of couse, there's the possibility of the playing field being distorted by computer users, but I personally don't worry about that - if someone is using a computer against me, then at least I'm getting good practice, whereas my opponent is getting nothing but a rating that he can't match up to in skill. |
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