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| odonata 9/02/2005 03:19:42 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Traps in the openingMessage: -> gameknot.com Greets, Odonata |
| misato 9/02/2005 03:48:18 [ report this post ] | Queen�s Gambit Message: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e3 b5 4. a4 c6 (4. - a6? 5. axb5 axb5 6. Rxa8) 5. axb5 cxb5? 6. Qf3 winning a rook. (Of course, there are better (or more common) moves than 3. e3. White should not be afraid because that temporary pawn-investition - or look for another opening.) |
| beathoven 9/03/2005 14:19:11 [ report this post ] | Message: |
| typefreak 9/04/2005 08:16:17 [ report this post ] | Message: board #3628450 |
| juve_leo 9/04/2005 20:13:25 [ report this post ] | Typefreak Message: |
| ccmcacollister 9/04/2005 23:04:50 [ report this post ] | HMMM ... Looks like a job for Message: Let's try to call in the Pertroff Patrol and see what's what here . . . |
| umpito 9/05/2005 13:28:27 [ report this post ] | Petroff Message: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 Nxe4 4. Qe2 Qe7 5. Qxe4 d6 is probably better for white, but far from a won game. |
| bucklehead 9/05/2005 17:08:06 [ report this post ] | I'm with umpito here Message: I can only guess that juve_leo is referring to the so-called "Petrov Trap," which I'm sure we all remember from elementary school: 1. e4 {Ah, the kingpawn! It's such a lovely move, which is a good thing since obviously no one ever makes a different opening move.} 1... e5 {Sweet symmetry! If the kingpawn is good for white, it's gotta be tremendous for black!} 2. Nf3 {Hmm...I wonder why they just don't set the board up this way to begin with...}2... Nf6 {Why break the pattern here? I'm doing well!} 3. Nxe5 {Yum! A tasty snack. Pawns always make for good eatin'} 3... Nxe4 {Who does that guy think he is, takin' my pawn like that? I'll show him!} 4. Qe2 {Hey, what are you doing with that knight over here?! Shoo! } 4... Nc5 {Oh man! I've really gotten myself into trouble here...I don't want to lose the knight, so I'd better move it.} 5. Nc6+ {Aha! I've been dying to use this--take that, you pawn-snatcher!} You wanna bust the Petrov? You'd better bring more ammo than that! |
| spurtus 9/12/2005 02:50:01 [ report this post ] | Spurtus trap Message: Scandinavian Defense : Andersen Counter Gambit : 'Spurtus Trap'... 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 e5 5. dxe5 Bb4 6. Bd2 nc6 7. a3 nd4? ... can you see it?... can you take the knight and threaten the queen with the protected rook?... alarm bells should be ringing... if you see something for free theres always a catch... scroll down for answer... ... ... ... ... 8. axb4 Qxa1! 9. Qxa1 Nxc2+!! Quite a few people I have played have fallen for this, but unfortunatley the Andersen Counter Gambit has be deprecated. Hopefully got all the moves right, just from memory that... Spurtus. |
| typefreak 9/12/2005 09:08:17 [ report this post ] | Message: You can't take the knight, but take the bisschop, and threathen the queen with both a rook and a pawn. |
| ccmcacollister 9/12/2005 09:22:37 [ report this post ] | here's a shorty ... Message: Has about 3 dozen blitz scalps ... the joy of playing the Center Game :) |
| fmgaijin 9/12/2005 13:56:38 [ report this post ] | Variation on the QGA Trap Message: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bg5 Ne4 5.Bh4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 dxc4 7.e3 b5? 8.a4 c6? 9.axb5 cxb5?? 10.Qf3 |
| ccmcacollister 10/23/2005 07:57:14 [ report this post ] | a Q-trap in Fischer Attack vs Najdorf Sicilian... Message: Rated Blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 2 seconds. Move ktuni znurk ---- ---------------- ---------------- 1. e4 (0:02) c5 (0:01) 2. Nf3 (0:02) d6 (0:01) 3. d4 (0:02) cxd4 (0:01) 4. Nxd4 (0:02) Nf6 (0:01) 5. Nc3 (0:01) a6 (0:01) 6. Bc4 (0:03) b5 (0:03) Typical is 6...e6, wherein Fischer would reply with 7.Bb3, making it become the mainline response, tho other moves are playable too. Then Fischer-Tal went 7...b5 8.f4 b4 9.Na4 Nxe4 10.f5 with a strong attack favored by RJF. 7. Bb3 (0:14) b4 (0:04) 8. Nd5 (0:14) e6 (0:03) 9. Ba4+ (1:07) Nbd7 ??(0:16) Although in this game the loss of Queen is due to BL blundering here, the important aspect is to note the positioning of the WT Knights as this position can arise from different move orders or with slight variance, but still the Q gets trapped by the N's working together to cover a5,b6,c7,and d8. And e7 here as well. 10. Nc6 (0:14) exd5 (0:29) 11. Nxd8 (0:09) Kxd8 (0:01) 12. exd5 (0:09) Bb7 (0:06) 13. Bg5 (0:32) Be7 (0:01) 14. Bc6 (0:11) Bxc6 (0:18) 15. dxc6 (0:06) Ne5 (0:04) 16. Bxf6 (0:07) Bxf6 (0:09) 17. Qxd6+ (0:04) Ke8 (0:08) 18. c7 (0:46) Nd7 (0:05) 19. O-O-O (0:08) Ne5 (0:19) 20. Rhe1 (0:10) {Black resigned} 1-0 |
| wolstoncroft1 11/01/2005 23:00:06 [ report this post ] | Kings gambit trap Message: e4 e5 f4 exf Bc4 Qh4+ Kh1 Nf6 Nf3 Qg4 Bxf7+ Kd8 Nc3 and you can see the queen has no where to go and after Ne2 by white next move the queen will fall. |
| ccmcacollister 11/02/2005 03:43:21 [ report this post ] | Danish or Goring Gambit Message: *** tempusfugit (1775) vs. walhalla (1833) --- Wed Nov 2 2005, 11:24 GMT Rated Blitz match, initial time: 1 minutes, increment: 3 seconds. Move tempusfugit walhalla ---- ---------------- ---------------- 1. e4 (0:06) e5 (0:02) 2. d4 (0:01) exd4 (0:01) 3. c3 (0:01) dxc3 (0:01) 4. Nf3 (0:03) cxb2 (0:01) 5. Bxb2 (0:02) d6 (0:01) 6. Bc4 (0:03) Nf6 (0:04) 7. O-O (0:05) h6 (0:01) 8. e5 (0:06) dxe5 (0:06) 9. Bxf7+ (0:03) Ke7 (0:03) 10. Ba3+ (0:04) Kxf7 (0:41) 11. Qxd8 (0:02) Bg4 (0:13) 12. Nxe5+ (0:02) {Black resigned} 1-0 (And -I- escaped by the skin of my teeth since my computer disconnected before I even got to see he resigned! WHO says there's no Luck in Chess ??!) |
| brunetti 11/08/2005 00:53:40 [ report this post ] | wolstoncroft1 Message: not playing it doesn't give White a theoretically dead game; in your line, Black plays bad moves like the losing 5...Qg4 (5...Qh6 is far better) and 4...Nf6 (when 4...c6 is perfectly safe). Alex |
| wolstoncroft1 11/08/2005 23:52:39 [ report this post ] | brunetti Message: As fas as the theory... any chess authority would agree that at the highest levels of chess the Kings Gambit is unsound. Many chess stars are quoted as saying so, fischerfor one. If black opts he can hold onto the estra pawn. Thats the theory.. Thanks for chiming in |
| erdite 11/16/2005 03:59:59 [ report this post ] | You might like this one Message: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6 3. Bc4 Nh6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 c5 6. Bxh6 gxh6 7. Qh5+ Ke7 8. Nf5 Checkmate |
| brunetti 12/01/2005 19:59:09 [ report this post ] | wolstoncroft1 Message: I'm sorry but that's totally false. No top player ever said that, and someone, like Short for example, sometimes plays it at the highest level. Even Fischer, who wrote an article about *a single variation* of the KG, used to play it 3 times in torurnament play, and also lost to it once. Alex |
| sfinks 12/05/2005 18:30:34 [ report this post ] | King's gambit (slightly Off topic) Message: |
| neonliteone 12/06/2005 12:59:05 [ report this post ] | Message: I'll post it anyway :-) -> gameknot.com |
| wolstoncroft1 12/07/2005 01:25:31 [ report this post ] | Message: -> www.chessville.com Ariel Mengarini annotated this game for the tournament book, and he wrote "The King's Gambit is essentially unsound and should not be essayed unless one is fully booked up as well as willing to gamble..." -> www.littlegreenfootballs.com #32 "For white I'm still a sucker for the Kings Gambit. I like the tactical possibilities even though it is unsound..." -> www.gutenberg.org Lasker,edward(not the other one)-- in his book chess strategy --"In the King's gambit, White's attempt to bring away Black's King's Pawn may be an unsound scheme, even if worked out to its logical conclusion" -> www.insight.demon.co.uk Tryfon Gavriel, Janet Edwardson "Steinitz achieved his goal of taking chess forward, allowing players to view it in a more sophisticated positional way. He put an end to the domination of unsound gambits, such as the Kings Gambit and Evans gambit." Also....I would like to point out that many outstanding players and world champions have played unsound gambits, so the fact that Fischer and Short have played the KG is not a very strong argument. For example, Kasparov has played the Evans Gambit(considered unsound), Greco, Chigorin, Tartakower, Keres-wc, Spassky-wc have all played the latvian gambit(one of the most widely considered unsound defenses) Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion. I am just waiting to hear that the Latvian and Evans gambits are sound as well. Oh and Ill find the quote from fischer saying that the KG is unsound...I read it in a book a couple years ago, just have to go through the books i read at that time to find it. Ill post it as soon as i do. |
| ccmcacollister 12/12/2005 17:46:16 [ report this post ] | BILL WALL's CHESS SITE: Traps and Miniatures Message: I was pleased to find that one of my own Postal Chess games from APCT (Amer. Postal Chess Tournaments) qualified for inclusion. It is from Board#2 of that organization's own Regional Team Championship of 1987, vs Postal Chess Expert Brad Jenison. I submitted it to another site managed by a friend of his Mr. Wall, who kindly forwarded it on to him as a possible original trap. I was surprised to learn that is it only semi-original, having been apparently mentioned one time in the past by Lasker, as a game note during an annotation! But that my game is the first known to him that has actually demonstrated the trap during play. ***** The first link given is for his overall site. The second is for section #2 of the traps & miniatures, which go over 15 moves. The final link I list is for section #1 of traps, and is for those which are 14 moves or less. And that last one is where my own game is listed, as #1080 . ***** (I must paste in the Links to the following post...) |
| ccmcacollister 12/12/2005 17:50:09 [ report this post ] | BILL WALL's Links to site, & my game vs Jenison Message: -> www.geocities.com -> www.geocities.com -> www.geocities.com Trap #1080. 1.c4 f5 2.d4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Ne4 5.Nxe4 fxe4 6.Bg5 exf3 7.Bxd8 Bb4+ 8.Qd2 Bxd2+ 9.Kxd2 fxg2 10.Bxg2 Kxd8 0-1 Jenison-Collister, Postal 1987 |
| brunetti 12/12/2005 18:41:24 [ report this post ] | wolstoncroft1 Message: Alex |
| wolstoncroft1 12/13/2005 07:44:02 [ report this post ] | Alex Message: |
| wolstoncroft1 12/13/2005 07:53:20 [ report this post ] | Message: |
| ccmcacollister 12/13/2005 10:10:21 [ report this post ] | wolstoncroft1 Message: I've started a thread to discuss Unsound Openings. Regards, Craig A.C. |
| lordoftherings 12/14/2005 13:22:08 [ report this post ] | I ve played at ICC Message: 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.e5 Ng4 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Ng5+ Kg8 9.Qb3 and 1-0 (10. or 11.Qf7 #) |
| brunetti 12/16/2005 01:44:14 [ report this post ] | wolstoncroft1 Message: Alex |
| wolstoncroft1 12/16/2005 11:00:38 [ report this post ] | Message: |
| brunetti 12/16/2005 16:36:05 [ report this post ] | Cool. Message: Alex |
| alberlie 12/16/2005 17:32:16 [ report this post ] | whoa... Message: Same here, I would think that we should take the rating difference into consideration. As of now, both separate about 200 points. That would mean that on any _sound_ opening, brunetti should get about 75% of the points in a match. Furthermore, I recall reading an article (even posted here on gk around spring this year) that dealt with a more accurate way of valuing pieces, pawns, bishop pairs etc. based on game results. If I recall correctly, one pawn was equivalent to a rating difference of 200-300 points. The Evans is about sacrificing material for initiative. If having the initiative _is_ worth the pawn (and that would be expected if the opening is sound), then the elo difference should tell. If it isn't, then wolstoncroft1 seems to have a point... Therefore I'd say that if wolstoncroft1 can get a positive score against brunetti, he should have proved his point. At least I wouldn't play anything against someone of my own caliber if I get less then 50% with it against someone rated considerably lower than me... So, 50 games? That's a lot of seawater chess :o)) |
| brunetti 12/19/2005 04:05:36 [ report this post ] | Wolstoncroft Message: Alex |
| wolstoncroft1 12/19/2005 06:08:21 [ report this post ] | Message: |
| tyekanyk 12/19/2005 10:17:22 [ report this post ] | Short and sweet. Message: 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Bf4 Qb4+ 5.Bd2 Qxb2 6.Bc3 Bb4 7.Qd2 Bxc3 8.Qxc3 Qc1#. I haven't searched it in any database, as it is too coffee-house style to be worth the bother. |
| tugger 12/19/2005 13:12:50 [ report this post ] | wolstoncroft1 Message: f4 exf Bc4 Qh4+ Kh1 (i assume this is meant to be Kf1?) Nf6 Nf3 Qg4 Bxf7+ Kd8 Nc3 and you can see the queen has no where to go and after Ne2 by white next move the queen will fall. eh? Nc3.... d6 Ne2 Qd7 queen is safe have i missed something? |
| tugger 12/19/2005 13:44:23 [ report this post ] | game in progress..... Message: i say i think, as i haven't won the piece yet, i may have overlooked something, but i'm sure i have at least a knight in return for a pawn, with maybe few trade offs. feel free to point out any flaws after the game has finished..... 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 h6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. Nxd4 c5 7. Nf3 Nc6 8. Qe2 g6 9. Nd5 Bg7 10. e5 dxe5 11. Nxe5 Nd4 please, let me reiterate, don't confirm i have a piece, or point out flaws yet. this game is against my friend, there is fierce rivalry, not least because i'm better! and i do not fancy being accused of breaking any rules. |
| tugger 12/19/2005 13:50:51 [ report this post ] | 12. Nc6+ Nxe2 Message: the game hasn't finished, though, i don't think he'll resign just yet, though he may as well, so no direct replies yet..... |
| tugger 12/21/2005 05:16:06 [ report this post ] | i won the piece..... Message: the only thing worse than being crap at chess is being good but making stupid bloody mistakes that costs you games. now i'm a pawn down, inferior position, and screwed. the only hope i've got is pulling off a move he won't notice, but the chances of that happening are diminishing with every exchange...... |
| peonferoz 12/22/2005 04:37:36 [ report this post ] | lol Message: "e4 e5 f4 exf Bc4 Qh4+ Kh1 Nf6 Nf3 Qg4 Bxf7+ Kd8 Nc3 and you can see the queen has no where to go and after Ne2 by white next move the queen will fall. " --->allows the trip with the black,s help at move5..Qg4? why is necessary that move. U can play 5...Qh6 and although the queen hadn,t mobility it defends the extra pawn at f5 which restrict white,s development. In adddition the white,s bishop couldn,t take the pawn at f7. I show 2 probably continuations... 1�) e4 e5 f4 exf Bc4 Qh4+ Kh1 Nf6 Nf3 Qh6 d6 Ng5 Nc3 c6... after black,s castle white has serious troubles 2�) e4 e5 f4 exf Bc4 Qh4+ Kh1 Nf6 Nf3 Qh6 Nc3(the best) d6 d4 Be6 Qd3 Nbd7 Bxe6 fxe6 Qc4 O-O-O Qxe6 g5 with initiative |
| brunetti 1/27/2006 16:45:47 [ report this post ] | Wolstoncroft1 Message: Best regards, Alex |
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