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wolstoncroft1 play-chess-online.com chess 2/14/2006 15:16:41 play online chess	Subject: Pattern Recognition Test Message: Ok this is not a chess test, but other patterns. It is a Brainteaser test from Tickle.com The test is comprised of 30 questions half of which are pattern recognition. I scored 27 of 30 for the test overall ranking in the 96th percentile. This was largely due to a ranking in the 99th percentile on the Pattern Recognition Ability. I was wondering if I performed well in this area due to my chess training and practice. Here is the link: -> web.tickle.com Yes you have to register an email but there are other tests too that make it well worth it. If anyone takes this let me know if you experience similar results in the pattern recognition ability. I wonder if I enjoy chess because I have good pattern recognition ability, or If I have good pattern recognition ability because of chess. Thoughts/Comments Good day Tom
mattdw play-chess-online.com chess 2/14/2006 16:07:24 play online chess	Message: I got 26 out of 30, I think I may have dropped one or two points on the questions involving the US currency (I don't know they are worth!) and the one about Chicago and Los Angeles as I have no idea what the time differences are! Though I could have guessed them right for all I know! It didn't say anything about pattern recognition for me :( but it said I am at the 100th percentile for the logical ability: "Congratulations! Your score is in the 96th percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 95 of them on average. When we analyzed your test, we also discovered that when it comes to logical ability, you measure in the 100th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to to solving problems with logic. There are situations that require having a very precise thinking process to cut through the array of stimuli, and you can do this well. You can easily detect the underlying logic while others cannot. While others may get confused by things that are complex or out of order, your logical ability allows you to persevere and solve multi-layered problems." To anyone else that wants to take the test, you don't have to put a real email in, just put something like [email protected] and it will let you do it. ;)
gfweiss play-chess-online.com chess 2/14/2006 19:40:38 play online chess	Message: Here's my results: George, you answered 28 out of 30 questions correctly! Congratulations! Your score is in the 99th percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 98 of them on average. When we analyzed your test, we also discovered that when it comes to quantitative ability, you measure in the 100th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to solving numerical problems. If there is a numerical pattern to be found, you'll find it. You've got a knack for noticing when something "isn't right." Whether you're conscious of it or not, you have an ability to simply understand when something doesn't add up. Also, when it comes to splitting the check, doing taxes, or determining the number of fans in a baseball stadium, you're the one people turn to. I think my two "wrong" answers were the ones that tried to sell me something - the student loan deal and I forget what the other offer was.
wolstoncroft1 play-chess-online.com chess 2/14/2006 21:42:45 play online chess	Message: Tom, you answered 27 out of 30 questions correctly! Congratulations! Your score is in the 96th percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 95 of them on average. When we analyzed your test, we also discovered that when it comes to pattern recognition ability, you measure in the 99th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to detecting the underlying pattern in any situation, whether that pattern is in numbers, shapes, or words. You have a knack for digging underneath the surface confusion to find something coherent and useful to solve many problems
wolstoncroft1 play-chess-online.com chess 2/14/2006 21:45:37 play online chess	Message: nice score gfweiss
alberlie play-chess-online.com chess 2/15/2006 03:00:21 play online chess	Message: Two of their tests are faulty, imo. One being that pattern test where you ought to put the first two patterns in a row on top of each other and erase lines that are on both pics to get the third one. In this kind of test, one should be able to deduce the right outcome even with no multiple choice available - only then it's a viable test. But that's impossible here because they don't give a reason _why_ one should put the first two in a row on top of each other. (note, that in the other tests where they have 3x3's, it's always possible to come up with the right answer by going up/down or left/right.) A (hypothetical) pattern is only a pattern if it is verifiable with the given data. Second one I don't like is the one with the numbers in the honeycombs. Here again it's impossible to predict the correct answer by the data only. E.g. a much more "apparent" pattern would be that the second bold number in the middle is the square of the first. Also, the numbers around the circle begin with the bottom half of the first circle. Follow that pattern and you reach 13 as the beginning of the circle in the fourth cycle. A reasonable conclusion would then be to simply raise 6 to the fourth power. And the only way to check that this answer is wrong is again by looking at the given choices. But that approach ridicules the whole meaning of pattern _recognition_. Would be interesting if others failed at these two also...
luckypawn play-chess-online.com chess 2/15/2006 03:20:23 play online chess	I got 25 out of 30 Message: when it comes to linguistic-mathematical ability, you measure in the 100th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to understanding numerical representation in words or "word problems." You're highly proficient at translating words into numbers. This can be very useful when solving a problem in real life. When people are discussing a vague problem that needs a specific solution, you're able to cut through the extraneous information to a clear answer.
luckypawn play-chess-online.com chess 2/15/2006 04:15:05 play online chess	I forgot to add Message: Congratulations! Your score is in the 96th percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 95 of them on average.
naamloos play-chess-online.com chess 2/15/2006 08:09:00 play online chess	Score Message: My score is less. 'Rudolf, you answered 24 out of 30 questions correctly! Congratulations! Your score is in the 91st percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 90 of them on average. When we analyzed your test, we also discovered that when it comes to logical ability, you measure in the 100th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to to solving problems with logic. There are situations that require having a very precise thinking process to cut through the array of stimuli, and you can do this well. You can easily detect the underlying logic while others cannot. While others may get confused by things that are complex or out of order, your logical ability allows you to persevere and solve multi-layered problems.' Looking at above, it does seem that the average chess player is doing better than the average guy, or only those with higher scores dare to tell.
brilliance play-chess-online.com chess 2/15/2006 17:47:35 play online chess	... Message: 29 out of 30, but I'm sure I answered them all correctly. Every question and answer made sense. I seriously doubt anyone can score beneath 20, unless they really try.
mfeeney93 play-chess-online.com chess 2/16/2006 06:00:58 play online chess	30 of 30 Message: I agree with alberlie, though, in that the honeycomb numbers question is not a good question. I also agree that some of the pattern recoginition questions are questionable. However, one keeps working on the problem until a pattern/solution fits all available information. Then, you just hope that the pattern you found is the same one the author was thinking of.
mattdw play-chess-online.com chess 2/16/2006 14:23:45 play online chess	Message: I think we can safely say that this test tells us very little! ;) There are far too many confounders to determine the true result, and too many important omissions to draw any conclusions. The time spent on each question or the test as a whole, for instance, will almost certainly play a large part in the final score achieved. The gain in marks would generally reduce over an increase in mean time spent on each question to an asymptote of the highest score attainable by any individual - given that they may interpret the pattern based questions in a different, but not necessarily incorrect way! Also, non-US participants are disadvantaged on 2 questions as well; I just guessed both of those! I think we should therefore take the results with a bit of health scepticism. ;)
tugger play-chess-online.com chess 2/16/2006 17:28:38 play online chess	Message: Matt, you answered 27 out of 30 questions correctly! Congratulations! Your score is in the 96th percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 95 of them on average. When we analyzed your test, we also discovered that when it comes to visual-spatial ability, you measure in the 100th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to spotting patterns in the world around you. You're easily able to envision things spatially in different positions, and this allows you to determine what spatial patterns are present. Compared with you, most others lack the creative ability and/or skill to imagine the movement of objects or patterns in time and space. Move over Mr Hawking. And as for the debate on the pattern questions, a little common sense would suggest the simpler of the two possible patterns would prevail. Sure, the first number multiplied by the 100th root of the third to the power of infinty divided by twelve may equal the centre number, but so did the first x the last. And also, if you're given a mutiple choice answer, unless you're given 2 correct answers, then it all holds together. And since we're showing off, do an IQ test, I got 131 last time.....
brilliance play-chess-online.com chess 2/16/2006 19:01:18 play online chess	mattdw Message: Actually non-US residents may only suffer from one of the questions and that's with dimes, quarters and nickels. The other question with time differences was only unsolveable if you don't know where LA is situated (everyone knows this) and you have no idea if the dateline divides US (which everyone knows it doesn't). Also you must know how timezones function, but that's more appropriate for daycare :). The alternatives were 90, 104, 120 and 136 minutes. That it's 2 hours between Chicago and LA tells itself. But sure, Europeans and others should be able to score additional 2 points for just knowing this. I scored 31 out of 30. Beat that!
mattdw play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 01:41:01 play online chess	Brilliance Message: Actually I don't know where either LA or Chicago is situated, I know where some of the major cities are but I've never been to the US, never had to do any work regarding it at school and I've never had the sudden urge to look up on a map to see where abouts it is! Besides, as Luckypawn pointed out to me in a private message (STOP READING NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE THE TEST & DON'T WANT A BLATANT HINT!!) the position of the cities is irrelevant. In fact the names of the cities are just completey arbitirary, there is only one answer that is possible given those numbers, in fact it is just a primary school standard mathematics question in a worded format (with a litte bit of logic). I only failed to see this as I didn't want to spend anymore time than was necessary on what is basically a meaningless online test, so at the sight of US related stuff I just assumed it was going to be an unanswerable question given the amount of effort I was prepared to put in and guessed an answer then moved on. (by the way I'm making an assumption that whether one city is east or west of each other is not important as I can't remember the wording of the question)
alberlie play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 02:26:27 play online chess	yes... Message: ... it would have been important to know which way you're flying as in the one case you are subtracting, in the other adding.
alberlie play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 02:33:44 play online chess	tugger... Message: that was my whole point: "...if you're given a mutiple choice answer, unless you're given 2 correct answers, then it all holds together." If this test was correct, it should have been possible to solve the questions without multiple choice. If there is a pattern, you should be able to deduce it and come up with the answer yourself, based on the hints given in the questions and in the questions only. If you have to consult with answers to be able to rule out any one answer that doesn't make sense, you are no longer recognizing patterns but training you logic and combinative abilities.
brilliance play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 03:49:45 play online chess	mattdw Message: You are 22 years old, you should know if LA is situated on the west or the east side, that's basic fifth grade. I'm frightened by your ignorance :D. And no, as alberlie pointed out: "it would have been important to know which way you're flying as in the one case you are subtracting, in the other adding". There's a bit of logic behind the answer, but I agree- that's primary school standard mathematics, sorry to see both you and luckypawn failed to solve it. LOL. I'm coming right out from the adventure game Myst IV: Revelation. Having played through the game in one straight 36h session makes me *immune* to this kind of test :). ---------------------------------------- Warning: Message is written with a smile. ----------------------------------------
luckypawn play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 04:54:23 play online chess	I didn't fail to solve it.... Message: As mattdw said, I pointed out to him in a private message the way I solved it...which is a way that doesn't even matter if you're travelling from LA to Chicago or the other way around. I don't know the time difference, either. I'm sure I solved it right, because they said when it comes to linguistic-mathematical ability, I measure in the 100th percentile, and my way was logical.
luckypawn play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 05:00:44 play online chess	or would it have mattered? Message: actually you need to know where you're travelling...
mattdw play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 09:25:11 play online chess	Brilliance.. Message: I can only apologise for having such an insignificat gap in my knowledge as to the location of a city I have never seen in a country I have never been to and have never been taught about (so it's not 5th grade for me!) ;) I think it is important to point out that I only skimmed through the questions, I had other things that I could (read: should) have been doing, there is only so long I could distract myself with this kind of thing before I had to attend to something more pertinent! Given the amount of time I spent on the question (which was no more than the time it took to read) I think maybe this freindly discussion is irrelevant. :P
se_santi play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 13:58:41 play online chess	I think Message: tickle tests are made specifically so ppl would buy their elaborate reports that they offer at the end of them... Nobody would pay for a report if the outcome is not one ppl would like. On another note, brilliance, is Myst Revelations good? I want to try it...
tugger play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 14:29:10 play online chess	alberlie Message: "If you have to consult with answers to be able to rule out any one answer that doesn't make sense, you are no longer recognizing patterns but training you logic and combinative abilities. " But surely that's the point, this is an aspect of intelligence too. In theory it is highly likely that most three-character-patterns can have multiple choice answers for the fourth, if we start getting into deep mathematics. Part of the test involves a certain degree of process of elimination. The time zone one is an example. I got this right not because I knew, but because I know that LA is west coast and Chicago is east side, therefore LA will see the sun rise first, it's later in the day. I actually assumed there'd be 1 hour difference, but since no answer matched, I concluded that it must be 2, and went with that answer. And I was right. It isn't about knowing the time zones, it's about using logic to get the right answer. Of course, I'd have been screwed if they gave me what I thought was right too.....
alberlie play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 14:52:56 play online chess	changing the point. Message: If you ought to recognize a pattern and such a one isn't recognizable because there are different interpretations of the data fitting all the data, it's a bad pattern recognition test. Doesn't change a thing that it might be valuable as a spelling test, combinative test or pretty-writing test - it's no pattern recognition test. That's all I wanted to say. There were clean examples, like the one with the 3 by 3 composed of those cards with the yellow-and-blue squares. And I guess you have to get pretty deep into mathematics to get a theory about what pattern is used in that one that is different to the one actually used...
tugger play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 16:14:04 play online chess	Message: I can see your point about the naming of the test, as it isn't solely a pattern recognition test. But it certainly doesn't matter if there are more than one possible answer, so long as only one of the options can be right, eg what number comes next? 1 10 ? it could be 19, 11, 101, 109 etc but if your options were either 109, tree, purple or 2n(a+b) you'd go for 109 as it's the only one that continues a pattern (unless, to be pedantic, you wanted to argue that without being given values for n, a and b, you couldn't discount it....) that's still pattern recognition So, what would come next, after 109? I've got two possible answers already..... aiding my point that there will probably always be another possible solution.
wolstoncroft1 play-chess-online.com chess 2/17/2006 22:46:38 play online chess	Message: Tom, you answered 6 out of 30 questions correctly! Congratulations! Your score is in the 2nd percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 1 of them on average. When we analyzed your test, we also discovered that when it comes to submitting an answer for every question, you measure in the 99th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to understanding that you need to submit an answer for every question, whether that question is in numbers, shapes, or words. You have a knack for submitting an answer whether or not it was correct. Please buy this $20.00 report that can tell you more about your test results!!!
yanm play-chess-online.com chess 2/18/2006 00:55:09 play online chess	:) Message: I once did the _IQ_ test from tickle... of course at the end they asked me some bucks in order to get the full report, which I never paid. However, they finally sent it (free of charge) after two or three months, for some strange reason. I guess they wanted to publicise their others paying tests... That was fun, but not very useful:(
naamloos play-chess-online.com chess 2/19/2006 12:51:44 play online chess	I did Message: After doing the linked test, I had made the IQ-test on the same site. Now a moment ago they gave me (for whatever reason) the full report after all and it in it states that 'chess player' would be a great job for me! I Guess there is some truth in these tests after all. Not very suprisingly, it turns out that it was my Linguistic Intelligence that keeped my score down as I had a 100 percentile at the rest.
wolstoncroft1 play-chess-online.com chess 2/20/2006 06:15:11 play online chess	Message: Its tough when English is your second language
crayons play-chess-online.com chess 2/26/2006 11:04:58 play online chess	Message: Austin, you answered 30 out of 30 questions correctly! Congratulations! Your score is in the 100th percentile. This means that if one hundred people took the test with you, your score would rank higher than 99 of them on average. When we analyzed your test, we also discovered that when it comes to quantitative ability, you measure in the 100th percentile. This score indicates you have unusually strong abilities when it comes to solving numerical problems. If there is a numerical pattern to be found, you'll find it. You've got a knack for noticing when something "isn't right." Whether you're conscious of it or not, you have an ability to simply understand when something doesn't add up. Also, when it comes to splitting the check, doing taxes, or determining the number of fans in a baseball stadium, you're the one people turn to. ...I'm kind of surprised i scored so high... I would have expected others on here to clean my clock. I suspect being a programmer necessitates an eye for pattern and detail, where one missing semi-colon can mean a completely non-functioning program... or an inconsistent bracket pattern, that sort of thing, (not to mention the logic operations and algorithms you have to run through in your head!) Having spent hours and hours upon more hours debugging... you sort of retrain your brain. SO the test probably doesn't tell you that much.

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