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chilliman play-chess-online.com chess 4/22/2006 20:37:00 play online chess	Subject: What Is The Best Analysis Software? Message: I have used ChessMaster on PS2 as an analytical tool up until several weeks ago when it started collapsing for some unknown reason. this has now given me the opportunity to look at spending some money on chess software but I don't know which to get. I liked ChessMaster as I could play it as a tough or easy opponent depending on my mood. it offered tournaments/training/analysis and was very flexible and easy to use. I liked the analysis aspect as it gave verbal commentary not just point score analysis, thus giving me excellent advice on where I'd blundered. my internet research has identified four very competitive replacements: Fritz; Shredder; Tiger; and, Hiarcs. I am after a good solid analysis tool - one that gives verbal commentary. As far as game playing is concerned, all of these programs appear to be rated 2700+ so a few elo pts either way makes no difference to me as I'll never beat any of them at max strength but I would like to be able to set the strength so I'm not getting whooped all the time. I know I could always buy another ChessMaster but I'm after something with strong analytical skills and I don't want to go buying 2 or 3 of them. I would like to here from fellow gkers who have either: used two or more of these programs and hear how they compare with each other with regards the above; or, own one and use it as an analytical tool and what their 'satisfaction elo' is. naturally any on-post related comments are also welcome. chilliman
bonsai play-chess-online.com chess 4/23/2006 02:41:34 play online chess	Message: Knowning both Fritz and Shredder, I'll say that I like them both. They do evaluate positions remarkably differently sometimes, but both in a sensible way. And yes, you can set them to play close to your own strength level - in fact you can set it to playing in a certain style (e.g. how much should the program care about piece activity, king safety, material, should it always try to attack on the kingside etc.), but there are pre-arranged personalities, too.
floridaflag play-chess-online.com chess 4/23/2006 02:59:38 play online chess	Your best Bet Message: Your Best Bet would be bookup a free download evaluation period, with a lot to check, this would help you at any game play, and downloads in PGN format
ctrl-reset play-chess-online.com chess 4/24/2006 06:42:26 play online chess	Chessbase Message: Is Fritz and Shredder the same as Chessbase 9?
migchess20 play-chess-online.com chess 4/24/2006 11:45:12 play online chess	Engines Message: No son los mismos, Considero mas fuerte Fritz que Shredder, Chessbase 9 es una base de datos. Lo importante es investigar cual es el engine mas fuerte para utilizarlo en los analisis de los juegos realizados. Recordemos tambien que depende de la capacidad de la computadora, En Internet hay muchos engines, algunos de ellos son gratis. Hay algun jugador o jugadores que han investigado algo sobre los diferentes engines? Ademas el ajedrez es infinito, nadie ha llegado a dominarlo. Los diferentes engines analizan una parte del juego, pero las jugadas brillantes no las tienen grabadas, sino que nacen de nuestro cerebro en un instante determinado. Lo importante es practicar, practicar y practicar. Muchos Saludos. migchess20
chuckventimiglia play-chess-online.com chess 4/24/2006 11:58:28 play online chess	Chessbase 9 is not..... Message: a chess engine [chess program]. It is a program that allows you to record and manage your games. It has many additional features as well but it does not analyze and suggest moves. Chuck
ctrl-reset play-chess-online.com chess 4/24/2006 17:40:29 play online chess	Ok, thanks. Message: Thanks for the clarification.
coyotefan play-chess-online.com chess 4/24/2006 19:03:41 play online chess	What Is The Best Analysis Software? Message: Is the grey matter between your ears :)
ctrl-reset play-chess-online.com chess 4/25/2006 09:54:51 play online chess	I tried... Message: I tried using the grey matter between my ears, but its not working good enough :( Just look at my ratings. Care to switch grey matter? On a serious note, I was wondering how people improve their game play using Chessbase 9 is it doesnt have analysis capabilities? Thank for your thoughtful answers.
dysfl play-chess-online.com chess 4/25/2006 15:54:00 play online chess	Fritz9 for me Message: I started from Crafty, then moved to Chessmaster 9000, Fritz8 and then switched to Fritz9. For analysis, I like Fritz9 best. It could be personal choice, though. Crafy can print out the top 5 best moves for each move. Chessmaster was kind of clumsy due to the GUI. I tried Hiracs, but for my system (old AMD XP), it was painfully slow. Fritz9 seems to me better than Fritz8 as it is not so aggressive only. About the verbal commentary, soon you'll find them almost useless, but Chessmaster makes nice looking commentaries.
coyotefan play-chess-online.com chess 4/25/2006 21:01:50 play online chess	ctrl-reset Message: You are correct, CB9 is not a real analysis tool. It tells you what the most popular moves are and the % of wins each move attained. It is that old grey matter that does the analysis. Fritz has an analysis tool, but IMHO it is not very good.
chilliman play-chess-online.com chess 4/26/2006 02:42:01 play online chess	migchess20 Message: ingl�s por favor
ctrl-reset play-chess-online.com chess 4/26/2006 07:27:18 play online chess	coyotefan Message: ...thanks for the explanation. I'm using Chessbase Light at the moment, and for my rating, it can still spot lots of mistakes. But I have to go through each move manually. I was hoping for a software that can go through my game automatically, without me clicking the Next button, and I think Fritz and Chessmaster can do so. Since Fritz is highlighted more in the forums than Chessmaster, I will tend to go with Fritz 8 then. I am so lowly ranked that I dont think its makes a difference if I got version 8 or 9. Thanks for the clarification.
coyotefan play-chess-online.com chess 4/26/2006 09:35:56 play online chess	Reason Fritz highlighted more Message: Is that everytime anyone accuses others of cheating, Fritz is mentioned.
migchess20 play-chess-online.com chess 4/26/2006 12:32:41 play online chess	Engines Message: They are not the same, I Consider but hardly Fritz that Shredder. Chessbase 9 is a database. What is important is to investigate which is the engine but hardly to utilize it in the analisis of the play carried out. We recall tambien that depends on the capacity of the computer, on the Internet there are many engines, some of them they are free. There is algun player or players that have investigated something on the different engines? The chess is infinite, nobody has come dominate it. The different engines analyze a part of the play, but them played brilliant do not have them engravings, but they are born of our in a moment specific brain. What is important is to practice, to practice and to practice. So long migchess20
tag1153 play-chess-online.com chess 4/26/2006 13:50:44 play online chess	I just bought Shredder.... Message: ....after playing in an OTB tournament. Still trying to figure everything out, but it is very easy to use. I fed my tourney games into it, and it did a good job of pointing out better moves I could have made. Seems like a user-friendly tool...... tag1153
chilliman play-chess-online.com chess 4/29/2006 15:05:04 play online chess	my thanks to all Message: who have posted.
odonata play-chess-online.com chess 5/02/2006 09:34:10 play online chess	In my opinion Message: Chess engines are good to analyse middle games and endgames and to see immediate tactical opportunities, but usually they are not a great help for the opening (no new ideas or long term decisions). I've got Fritz8 and Hiarcs10. Hiarcs 10 looks to me definetely stronger, evaluates postions more precise and calculates a lot faster, especially in the endgame. As for the openings I'd advice you to buy books... Chess engines are not good there, actually most of them have an opening tree based on the current theory as it is brought by the recent games of the GM's...
ferdyrojo play-chess-online.com chess 5/02/2006 16:29:39 play online chess	Chess engines or the philosophal stone? Message: Dear "odonata", I absolutely agree with your assertion, (sic): "chess engines usually are not a great help for the opening of a chess game". They are only very powerful calculators, but Chess is not just a calculation game but a tactical game, based on the vision or intuition of a particular position. I have tried Shredder for a trial period and I have Fritz 8 installed in my Hard Drive. I consider Shredder's algorithms to be better than Fritz 8's in calculation strength. Anyway, if you set any of them in the program mode, they start to play itself by generating tipically algorithmic moves until it reaches a Draw position. I consider it to be an ugly chess game. KR (Kind Regards) from ***Ferdyrojo***
magna68 play-chess-online.com chess 5/03/2006 17:11:30 play online chess	odonata Message: I have to dissagree with you on few things here. First, chess engines have always been known for lacked strenght in endgame "understanding". Then, it's just wrong to say that chess engines are not good in the openings. The explotion of opening theory and understanding in recent years can on contrary be directly traced to chess engines. The opening reportorie is included to save time to the engines, not because they don't know how to play in the opening. True, it's built from recent GM's games, but much of what GM's play nowondays in the opening is something they have carfully studied (or cooked) at home, not alone, but with the strongest engines available working overtime. This has off course led to the sad fact that there is much less space for creativity in the openings than it used to be on gm's level. cheers magna68

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