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ccmcacollister play-chess-online.com chess 6/16/2006 20:45:56 play online chess	Subject: Honest Site 4 OTB online play? Message: GK does a wonderful job with its corr. Chess. But the otb/blitz has been in Beta stage for quite a long time. Even so, I consider it my #2 favorite place to play Real Time games online. However, I have to consider -> chessanytime.com to have the slickest interface, that I have found for Real Time play. Games that can range from 10 sec.+1sec. on up to 10, 20, 30, 60 minutes etc. And just about any combination of time control in between those. And the best means for selection of opponents and making challenges, I believe. *** The trouble for me is that, in my opinion, it does not seem to be a well controlled site. Computers there are supposed to show a (C) on their nik. Many dont, and get players to challenge them on that false pretext, who then may just resign in disgust, or play and lose. And so these unscupled computer programs get some really riduculous high ratings there, besides wasting your time. *** Then there just seems to be a lot of boyyish to yobbish behavior there by many players. Very impolite, boorish or even cheating in various ways, that I wont even bother to ennumerate, as anyone who plays much online is doubtless well acquainted with the various ways to cheat or display poor sportsmanship. But to 'get on with it', toward my question, it is simply this: Howmany players would be interested in a site with an interface and workings similar to that used at the CA link above ... if someone could do it, but strive hard to provide a "cleaner" site? Would they pay to play there? If it could be nearly as good for otb online as GK is for Corr online? *** A place that would actively pursue cheating or poor behavior to remove it from the site ASAP. And one with a lot of different levels of players available ... more than the 'same old bunch' that I seem to perceive as using that site, for instance. Even if the proposed site did not have a lot of Chess News and such like ICC provides at its site... would there be interest in a place that is just a really great one to get in some games of Chess, while lacking the typical frustrations we seem to find at such places? *** Actually I do not understand, tho, why Chessanytime does not seem to get a better crowd there in quantity and in quality (of attitude especially) ? Can anyone tell me their thoughts upon that matter, too? I dont use ICC much at all, nor -> freechess.com because I find both the sets and opponent selection process to be awkward & cumbersome there. And I dont see it as being any superior at those, to the rest, as far as the problems stated above. (I may be wrong, as I dont play at them much, for the interface dislike I have). I think it would be fantastic if GK would add a better otb type interface here, as the Webmaster is willing to crackdown upon any players of unseemly conduct. Yet at the site I propose, I would be intending to crack down upon any illicit computer program use by players, as much as possible. To the extent that perhaps there would be times of mistaken action taken, if necessary. And I believe that much could be done to eliminate such problems in OTB formatted games. *** { There are ways. It can even be "proven", (factually and not as guesswork) even to a standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt", imo, if someone were willing to "go there" in doing what would be necessary to do that. IF so, then certainly it could be to "a preponderance of the evidence". As so many persons seem to be fond of saying it cannot. Albeit costly ways, but perhaps a few Examples with penalties incurred would serve a site well. For it is certainly a tiresome thing, that tends to demean the entire sport, I feel. And there are certainly much less costly ways to "prove" to a lesser standard, such as "managements discretion"} That might be another Question for this thread : ... Just how far should a site go to keep itself clean, both sportsmanship and of computers? Any thoughts out there? * * * Regards, Craig A.C.
alberlie play-chess-online.com chess 6/18/2006 02:03:15 play online chess	Message: "I dont use ICC much at all, nor -> freechess.com because I find both the sets and opponent selection process to be awkward & cumbersome there. And I dont see it as being any superior at those, to the rest, as far as the problems stated above. (I may be wrong, as I dont play at them much, for the interface dislike I have)." But that's the whole fun about it!!! Who want's to play at playchess.com with that slick Fritz8-type interface. ICC has style!!! :o))
jstack play-chess-online.com chess 6/20/2006 20:09:19 play online chess	Hey Alberlie Message: I play at playchess.com. haha. I like it because chessbase automatically records the games I play online and puts them in a database. Do you know if ICC would do that for me too? Well, it is also cheaper and that is important to me right now...as a starving student. lol
alberlie play-chess-online.com chess 6/21/2006 01:13:16 play online chess	Message: yes, ICC does that as well. And students fee is 27,5 for a year - what does playchess charge? The only reasons I could think of for signing up with playchess is the chessmedia system which _is_ kinda neat...
lucasbeauchamp play-chess-online.com chess 6/21/2006 11:17:03 play online chess	If I were to pay for a site Message: I would pay for ICC. The only other site that comes close is playchess, which I pay for buy buying software that I want anyway. Sorry to say, but the challenge process at chessanytime and all similar sites strikes me as a waste of time. Chessanytime seems another in the Yahoo series: see -> www.edcollins.com
ccmcacollister play-chess-online.com chess 6/21/2006 16:55:05 play online chess	Hi jstack ... Message: Sounds like I may need to check into that playchess . com site. I still cant see much to ICC. Except for the journalism. I find the selection process at chessanytime So much better than ICC and freechess tho. You can challenge 1 or 30 players at a time there, and actually see Who they are as far as their nik. And challenge someone with multiple time controls, and let them pick which they like. *** i dont know what you mean lucasbeauchamp , about comparing to Yahoo? There are no "Rooms" nor "tables" set up at chessanytime. So I dont see the similarity there? But I dont like Yahoo much, either, if I recall it correctly from trying that several years ago. Maybe its changed !? *** }8-)

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