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Posted by doctor_knight
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2/26/2008
20:06:39

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Subject: d4 defense

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ok, I know I've posted about this several times now, but I'm really looking for advice. I've pretty much settled on a repetoire for white and for defense against e4, but playing against d4 has given me trouble lately. I was considering playing the Chigorin, but I'm not sure, it seems like it might be a tad too quick for my tastes. I'm the kind of guy that likes the long-term, solid benifits more than immediate momentary ones (though they can be converted to long-term advantages).

If it helps, my white repetoire is the Nimzo-Larsen attack and the colle system depending on who I'm playing and how I feel (I especially like the Nimzo-Larsen against less experienced, lower rated, or very aggressive players). My defense against e4 is basically just the caro-kan and sometimes I like to transpose into the french from the advance variation.

I've found after trying different things and doing further analysis that I mainly like to control the center (doesn't everybody :D). Mainly I like to put pressure on the center and get a feel for it before working my way to central dominance. I don't really care a whole lot for wild attacking positions though I will certainly play them if I have to. I've found that this kind of controlling the center matches well with the way I do other things like martial arts and wrestling. I hope I explained this well enough.

Anyone have any suggestions about what openings might be good for me? What d4 defenses do you think might match with my playing style?

thanks


Posted by ionadowman
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2/26/2008
23:22:02

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Several possibilties...

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I was going to suggest the King's Indian, but maybe that's not so much your style (though you mention your liking for the Nimzovitch-Larsen which also seeks to undermine the centre). Go in for the ...e5 and ...f5 pawn breaks.

If you prefer more of a pawn presence in the centre, how about a Dutch Defence, aiming for the Stonewall set up (pawns on c6, d5, e6, f5. Botvinnik used to play it - for a while, at least. It's solid in the centre and has aggressive intentions on the K-side. It does have a down side (mainly the hole at e5), but it's not so easy for White to break it down.

Another scheme is the Benoni, but with the specific view of playing the Benko Gambit. The line runs: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.bxa6 Bxa6...
Here is Pal Benko's own assessment of his opening (My paraphrasis):
1. Advantage in development, having overtaken White in effectiveness as well as in tempo. White will think twice about playing 6.e4 (though it is a playable line: 6...Bxf1); and Blacks a8-rook already stands on an open file;

2. Black's compact and sufficiently flexible pawn structure. Black will usually fianchetto the K-side bishop and castle, meanwhile considering such possibilities as ...e6, ...f4 and even (after White plays b3) ...c4, making way for a piece to stand at c5, at the same time seizing control of d3;
3. The pawn sac has drawn off a pawn from White's centre, leaving Black with a majority there. White would like to break e4-e5 later on, but given the lack of solid defence for the d5 pawn this won't be so easy to arrange;

4. Black's game is easy to play, with the clear-cut plan ...g6; ...Bg7; ...0-0; ...Qc7/b6/a5; ...Rfb8 with huge pressure on White's Q-side.

5. Black has the initiative, possibly a long-term one.

If you prefer positional play to tactical you might well take to this line - that rather rare thing: a positional gambit.

Cheers,
Ion


Posted by fmgaijin
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2/26/2008
23:31:40

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If You Like the Colle . . .

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. . . then you're suited to the Slav and will already know many of the main ideas.

Posted by spurtus
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2/27/2008
00:13:12

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d4, d6 - aiming for a Pirc or Modern setup... passive but solid & quite easy to learn, useful to know should you ever meet it.


Posted by marinvukusic
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2/27/2008
02:42:12

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It is obvious

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Just reverse your White setups.

Nimzo-Larsen => Queen's Indian - en.wikipedia.org

Colle => Semi-Slav ("the triangle") - en.wikipedia.org


Posted by djole73
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2/27/2008
04:39:07

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My vote for Semi - Slav, very solid opening.

Posted by easy19
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2/27/2008
08:25:04

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I recommend..

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As black against the queen pawn opening.
I play Nimzo indian.. 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4

If white plays 4. a3 play the > (Samisch Variation)
And if white playes 4. Bg5 then play the > (Leningrad Variation)

If white try,s to avoid Nimzo indian with 2. Bg5 (Trompowsky Attack) then play 2...d5

If white just playes the Queens Gambit 1. d4 d5 2. c4 then play Queen's Gambit Accepted and the Semi Slav. then if you white plays 5. e3 then go for the (Meran Variation)

I agree with most of the former posters. :)


Posted by spurtus
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2/27/2008
10:01:06

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try budapest defense with 1.d4 nf6 2. c4 e5 ... for surprise value usually not in opponents 'opening book', most effective in OTB & blitz

Posted by tugger
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2/29/2008
13:06:40

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i used to get panned as black when playing against 1. d4, then i diecided to give dutch a try, and i've found it a very solid defence, though one mistake and you get slaughtered. i think i was above 50% win, but my personal database is telling me i have played no games, which is a mystery.

anyhow... dutch...

1. d4 f5

i use the leningrad variation, which involves g6 folled by Bg6 and castling behind, with the long term goal of a kingside pawn rush... you'd be surprised how often this tactic works.


Posted by easy19
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2/29/2008
14:10:39

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Dutch Defence 28% win for Black 30% draw 42% win for white
out of 2.3 miljon matches.

So i try to avoid playing it..



Posted by ganstaman
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2/29/2008
15:50:59

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