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| Posted by andy94 play-chess-online.com 10/05/2008 05:14:02 Play online chess |  Subject: Best player everMessage: My favourite 3 are: 1) Bobby Fischer. 2) Mikhail Tal. 3) Garry Kasparov. Who do you prefer? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by kansaspatzer play-chess-online.com 10/05/2008 22:32:29 Play online chess | Message: 2) Fischer 3) Capablanca | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by lighttotheright play-chess-online.com 10/05/2008 23:01:59 Play online chess | Message: 2) Alekhine 3) Fischer In that order. They dominated during their reigns. ——— Ukraine Wins Chess Olympiad — To win gold medals at any chess olympiad, you need exceptional performances of at least two chess players who know how to take risks and collect points. But you also need a few others who can steady the team -- solid players hard to defeat. If that is not enough, you need some luck. The team of Ukraine had it all at the 39th Chess Olympiad in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia, that finished Sunday. Led by the amazing GM Vasyl Ivanchuk, Ukraine clinched the gold undefeated, winning eight matches, tying three and collecting 19 points. Russia's top chess team finished with the silver medal with 18 points. Israel tied for third place with Hungary with 17 points, but won the bronze on a better tiebreak. ... Posted by gt2win | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 00:32:27 Play online chess Message: 2. Fischer 3. Morphy Although i don't know too much about it, these three were probably the most talented during their eras... ——— Vassily Ivanchuk Dominates the Chess Olympiad — Every chess game is between just two people, but players can be organized into teams in which individual results are added up in a combined score. But just as in sports, not every chess player is a good teammate. In chess, a bad teammate is one who does not try hard enough when the team needs a win, or who loses a game by pressing too hard for a win when the team needs only a draw. A good teammate will adapt to minimize risks. Vassily Ivanchuk has a reputation as a good teammate, particularly in the biennial World Chess Olympiads that are the game’s pre-eminent team competitions. Before this year, Ivanchuk, 41, of Ukraine, had competed in 11 Chess Olympiads and had been on ... Posted by chessbaker | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 01:49:46 Play online chess Message: 2)karpov 3)kasparov I wonder why in this kind of poll's there is so less karpov.maybe his style is not so spectacular but come on he is at least one of the best players ever!!!! ——— Ukraine Wins Gold Medal at Chess Olympiad — A draw in its final match on Sunday was enough to secure Ukraine the team gold medal in the open section of the Chess Olympiad in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia. It was the first team medal for Ukraine in the competition, which is held every two years, since 2004, when Ukraine also won the gold. Russia’s top team had a chance to catch Ukraine in the last round, but only managed to draw against Spain, despite a win by Vladimir Kramnik over Alexei Shirov, Spain’s top chess player. Russia wound up with the silver — its first medal since 2004, when it also finished with the silver behind Ukraine. Israel, Ukraine’s final-round opponent, tied for third with Hungary, which beat Poland. On tie-breakers, Israel won ... Posted by andy94 | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 06:13:45 Play online chess Message: I wanna say this. Kasparov was 2851( Elo rating) in 1999-2000 Fischer was about 2790 in 1972!!!! Considering Elo inflation Fischer's score is about 2900, now! I say this cause I saw there are lots of great chess players who have about a 2600-2700 rating now, like Caruana (born in 1992). Now, I respect them but I don't think they are only 100 points down Fischer. Sorry do you know if there were a chess game between Tal and Karpov? Who won? Thank u! ——— Ukraine Leads Chess Olympiad; Russia Has Clinched Women's Title — With one round to go in the biennial Chess Olympiad, in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia, the team from Ukraine leads the open section with Russia 1 (the top Russian team) in second and Israel in third. In the women’s division, Russia’s top team has already locked up the gold medal by winning all its matches. China is in second and four teams are tied for third. The final round is Sunday. Since Ukraine and Russia have already played, Ukraine will face Israel, while Russia 1 takes on Spain, which is among a group of five teams tied for fourth. Led by Vassily Ivanchuk, who won his first six games, Ukraine, the No. 2 seed, took the lead in Round 7 and has managed to hold it by drawing with Russia 1, the top seed, in ... Posted by chessbaker | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 06:43:07 Play online chess Message: ——— Magnus Carlsen plays the maverick but Michael Adams plays it canny — England experienced highs and lows in successive rounds at the Chess Olympiad this week and will do well to reach a top-15 finish in Sunday's final round. In round six Norway's boards 2-4 looked outgunned, so British chess champion Michael Adams v world No1 Magnus Carlsen seemed a critical pairing. Carlsen's opening three moves shocked the chess world: 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Nf6?! 3 e5 Nh5?! It appears a novice choice but is the North Sea Defence, has been tried by a few maverick chess grandmasters, and offers a pawn for active play by 4 Be2 d6 5 Bxh5 gxh5 6 Qxh5 dxe5 7 dxe5 Rg8. Adams preferred a slight risk-free edge but Carlsen's position was solid until his fresh provocations 18...g5? ... Posted by farhadexists | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 12:14:28 Play online chess Message: 2. Fischer 3. Botvinnik Posted by tugger | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 15:13:39 Play online chess Message: 2. tugger 3. Garry Kasparov Give it another six months and I'll surpass the great RJF. OK, seriously, swap me for Alekhine. There's my top three. Posted by greenrat777 | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 15:56:39 Play online chess Message: Posted by premium_steve | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 17:52:18 Play online chess Message: 2.bent larsen 3.me Posted by chessnovice | play-chess-online.com 10/06/2008 20:15:15 Play online chess ...Message: 2. Fischer 3. Lasker I'm the first to put Lasker in the top 3? :[ Posted by calmrolfe | play-chess-online.com 10/07/2008 09:39:25 Play online chess Message: 2. Joseph Henry Blackburne 3......and my third drinking partner would be Harry Nelson Pillsbury. My ! what a bar tab those three would run up !! The irony is that the more whisky you poured down Blackburne's throat..the better he played !! Posted by steverand67 | play-chess-online.com 10/07/2008 16:34:42 Play online chess Where's the recognition for Anatoly?Message: 1) Kasparov 2) Karpov 3) Fischer, although had he played longer he would probably be at least #2... Posted by vulpecula | play-chess-online.com 10/08/2008 03:23:01 Play online chess Message: 1. Mikhail Tal 2. Garry Kasparov 3. Anatoly Karpov hmmm - all Russians Posted by ogedei | play-chess-online.com 10/08/2008 18:03:23 Play online chess Message: @vulpecula: All Soviets, not Russians... That said, and realising that I don't have the talent or skill to split the chessic difference between any of the giants already mentioned on this page, I'd go: 1. Kasparov 2. Karpov 3. Fischer Posted by andy94 | play-chess-online.com 10/09/2008 04:56:42 Play online chess Message: R.I.P. Posted by lighttotheright | play-chess-online.com 10/09/2008 08:42:30 Play online chess Message: Before he dropped out, he did dominate the chess scene. He just had trouble getting the actual World Championship because of politics. Once he got the Championship, he started a childish game (in my opinion) and went bye bye. That doesn't lessen the fact that he dominated the game before that. Posted by bobdoleeatsfood | play-chess-online.com 10/09/2008 12:34:06 Play online chess Message: 1. Fischer 2. Steinitz 3. Emanuel Lasker Posted by andy94 | play-chess-online.com 10/09/2008 12:40:30 Play online chess Message: Posted by eqj2 | play-chess-online.com 10/09/2008 17:52:39 Play online chess SorryMessage: Posted by easy19 | play-chess-online.com 10/09/2008 23:35:29 Play online chess Message: 2 Jose Raul Capablanca 3 Max Euwe Posted by ccmcacollister | play-chess-online.com 10/12/2008 13:07:19 Play online chess The BEST? Message: 1. Bronstein 2. Tal 3. Velimirovic Oddest looking play at the board, that still won games: 1. Viktors Pupils 2. Suttles 3. Grob Funniest players off-the-board, during play or match & while remaining sane ... (But, Maybe Rubeinstein really DID attract flies!? Who really knows! ) 1. Topalov, et al ~! 2. Fischer 3. Nimzovich tho Short might get an honorable mention? Posted by ionadowman | play-chess-online.com 10/12/2008 13:48:59 Play online chess Craig...Message: I might include a game from the Wizard of Weird (Ujtelky) next time I'm this way... cheers, Ion Posted by ionadowman | play-chess-online.com 10/13/2008 00:06:25 Play online chess As promised ...Message: White: Kluger, Black: Ujtelky; Polanica Zdroj, 1966 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.g3 c5 4.d5 d6 5.Nc3 Bd7 "Knights before bishops; yeah, right!" 6.Bg2 Qc8 7.Bf4 Na6 8.Qd2 Nc7 9.a4 a6 10.a5 Rb8 Black isn't what you'd call aggressively placed, eh? 11.Nf3 h6?! "Come and get me, Tiger!" 12.e4 g5 13.Be3 f6 ... Annotation from Keene & Botterill: "Is this just an ad hoc measure to avoid a crushing [e5] ... or does Ujtelky really want to do this?" Black's case looks utterly woeful... w 14.b4! cxb4 15.Na4 Bh3 16.0-0 ... If instead 16.Nb6? Bxg2! 17.Nxc8 Bxh1, then picks up a second minor piece with a sizable material edge. 16...Qg5 17.Bxh3 Qxh3 18.Bb6!? ... (18.c5!) 18...Rc8 19.Nd4 Kf7 20.Nf5?! ... Is White losing the plot? 20.f4 looks to force open a file for the f1-rook. 20...h5! 21.c5 Nb5 22.f4 h4 A very edgy position for Black! (So to speak...) How on earth can Black survive this (even with his little bit of an attack down the h-file)? w 23.fxg5 hxg3 24.Nxg3 Kg6 Keene & Botterill again: "In whose attack will the black king join?" 25.Rf5 (25.e5!?) 25...Qh4 26.Rf4 Qxg5 27.cxd6 Nxd6 28.Raf1 Bh6 29.Qe2 Qe5 30.Rg4+ Bg5 31.Nf5 Nxf5 32.exf5+ Kh6 33.Qxe5 fxe5 34.h4 Bf4 Once the BN reaches f6, Black's game will begin to look respectable. 35.Rg6+ Kh5 36.Bf2 Nh6 Of course. 37.Rb6 Nxf5 38.Rxb4 Rc2 39.Rfb1 Rg8+ 40.Kf1 Ne3+ 41.Ke1 Bg3 (0-1) After 42.Bxg3 Rxg3 White can not stop the mate. This was no "Marshall swindle"; this was daylight robbery. Cheers, Ion Posted by blake78613 | play-chess-online.com 10/17/2008 19:25:41 Play online chess Message: Team Kasparov and Team Karpov would probably be the toughest teams to beat in match play. But I think that Kasparov and Karpov were technicians that were supported by teams of experts. Botvinnik said of Karpov that he was as barren of ideas as old woman. They had team members that would go over their opponents games with a fine tooth comb and figure out opening novelties for them especially for that opponent. They mostly played when games were adjourned at move 40, so they would make sure that a critical point was not reached before that point, and then have their endgame teams work out a plan for them while they rested. If you could send Kasparov and Karpov back to 1850 and erase from their minds all the developments in chess theory after 1850; and put either in a Match with Paul Morphy I think Morphy wins easily. Posted by lighttotheright | play-chess-online.com 10/17/2008 22:43:13 Play online chess Message: In essence, it is an unfair comparison no matter how you look at it. Karl Ernst Adolf Anderssen was perhaps a peer to his genius. He created some of the most classic brilliant games in history that to this day can not be surpassed. Who can argue with the likes of the "Immortal Game" (1851) or the "Evergreen Game" (1852). They are masterpieces. Posted by blake78613 | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 08:05:38 Play online chess Message: If you are going to try make a comparison, you need to set some criteria. To me being best, means more than being a technician. I think being best includes imagination and advancing the game. Posted by ccmcacollister | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 09:24:35 Play online chess Perhaps the first Message: Morphy, Kasparov, even Bronstein could qualify as equal in that regard, and many others of course. But that is one ability that trransends the ages. What other abilities might then? That we could then compare. How about endgame techinique. Might not Flohr and Capa equal a Karpov & Petrosian for EG. After all the comparables are considered, then come the inequalities. For one, opening depth and theory. What else? Certainly the oldtimers Would have the knowlege available to to days player, one would think, since they managed to top the world in their own time. Plus perhaps even new ideas of their own, based upon their "new" modern knowlege. It seems to me that given access to the same knowlege, those who were at the top of the world in their own time would Still be WC contenders in this time ... unless they had some lack other than simply new information. ~? suppose? Posted by ccmcacollister | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 09:27:18 Play online chess oops ... to clarifyMessage: player, one would think, since they managed to top the world in their own time." What I mean there is ... IF they were instead present in todays Chess scene rather than their own era. Surely they would study enough to know as much as can be known Now. :) Posted by blake78613 | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 10:29:16 Play online chess Message: I rate Fischer as a better endgame player than either of those two. Posted by andy94 | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 12:13:53 Play online chess Message: From "Wikipedia". Now you can understand why I'm fixed about bishops endgames (if you know it). Anyway, I've got another quotation: -His chess technique is almost a miracle. In their youth, just a few players could manage the endgame with such a precision. I know only 2 players, Smyslov and Capablanca.- Max Euwe. Maybe it's impossible to compare players of different era, but if there's a compare's criterion, that's the technique. Posted by ketchuplover | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 14:29:09 Play online chess Message: 2.Morphy 3.Capablanca Posted by ccmcacollister | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 15:22:30 Play online chess Most Innovative Players of all time ... Message: 1.Steinitz 2.Tarrasch 3.Nimzovich 4.Tal 5.Morphy ********** Openings: 1.Gligorich 2.Kasparov 3.Steinitz 4.Morosevich 5.Bronstein ************** Some very Subjective choices! I've found the Improvements and his Game of The Month series, of Gligo to be invaluable tho. And have to admit my own choices lean to those I've actually studied most. Probably Botvinnik & Alekhine could well be there. Tal taught me So much. Not just sacrifices, but the thing that many don't realize ... he founded a method of play regarding his pawns and middlegame that was as innovative as Nimzovich and very antithical to that one as well. Tal could Always Open a position because he PLAYED so as to be able to always open a postion. On best of all time, after much thought I lean to: 1.Kasparov 2.Fischer 3.Karpov 4.Tal 5.Botvinnik 6.Spassky ************ I used to rank Fischer first and do feel he would have perhaps humbled Karpov greatly, had that match actually taken place. And still feel Fischer to be the highest rated if adjustment is made for inflation, and the fact he did not have a Karpov to eat Elo from like Kasparov did. Today I am favoring Kasparov tho as being equally intense but having broader opening knowlege at his disposal, at their peaks. On the other hand, perhaps Fischer having Used less openings, and just starting to broaden his repetoire near his end, would mean He would have the greater potential to IMPROVE than Kasparov. But he didnt actually Show us that. So I go with Garry today. ionadowman YES! Basman WAS in my thoughts, but I just was not sure of the name. I seem to recall a player like Bas or Bass?! that I used to confuse with him. That one was an Alekhines Defense expert if I recall. Posted by ionadowman | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 15:48:59 Play online chess I don't know...Message: I am very interested, Craig (ccmcacollister), in your remarks about Tal's innovativeness in the middlegame. I do recall his handling of the Q-side pawns in Benoni-type positions but not a whole lot else. Maybe we could start a new thread about this? Cheers, Ion Posted by longbow57 | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 17:38:53 Play online chess My favorurite chess players are:Message: Posted by blake78613 | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 19:04:16 Play online chess Message: Posted by ccmcacollister | play-chess-online.com 10/18/2008 20:41:49 Play online chess Most Innovative Players of all time ... Message: 1.Steinitz 2.Tarrasch 3.Nimzovich 4.Tal 5.Morphy ********** Openings: 1.Gligorich 2.Kasparov 3.Steinitz 4.Morosevich 5.Bronstein ************** Some very Subjective choices! I've found the Improvements and his Game of The Month series, of Gligo to be invaluable tho. And have to admit my own choices lean to those I've actually studied most. Probably Botvinnik & Alekhine could well be there. Tal taught me So much. Not just sacrifices, but the thing that many don't realize ... he founded a method of play regarding his pawns and middlegame that was as innovative as Nimzovich and very antithical to that one as well. Tal could Always Open a position because he PLAYED so as to be able to always open a postion. On best of all time, after much thought I lean to: 1.Kasparov 2.Fischer 3.Karpov 4.Tal 5.Botvinnik 6.Spassky ************ I used to rank Fischer first and do feel he would have perhaps humbled Karpov greatly, had that match actually taken place. And still feel Fischer to be the highest rated if adjustment is made for inflation, and the fact he did not have a Karpov to eat Elo from like Kasparov did. Today I am favoring Kasparov tho as being equally intense but having broader opening knowlege at his disposal, at their peaks. On the other hand, perhaps Fischer having Used less openings, and just starting to broaden his repetoire near his end, would mean He would have the greater potential to IMPROVE than Kasparov. But he didnt actually Show us that. So I go with Garry today. ionadowman YES! Basman WAS in my thoughts, but I just was not sure of the name. I seem to recall a player like Bas or Bass?! that I used to confuse with him. That one was an Alekhines Defense expert if I recall. Posted by blake78613 | play-chess-online.com 10/19/2008 10:23:14 Play online chess Message: Relative to the Max Euwe quote you gave, was he talking about Fischer? I know Euwe had high praise for Fisher's endgame play in Euwe's Book "Bobby Fischer--The Greatest". easy19, Why do you put Euwe in your top 3? I like Euwe a lot, but have never heard anyone claim him to be one of the all time greats. Posted by spurtus | play-chess-online.com 10/19/2008 13:31:34 Play online chess Message: Posted by blake78613 | play-chess-online.com 10/19/2008 14:14:09 Play online chess Message: Posted by fmgaijin | play-chess-online.com 10/19/2008 21:58:28 Play online chess Craig: Bagirov . . . Message: Bagirov worked as a trainer for most of the strong Latvian players (Shirov, etc.) and probably helped influence their aggressive play. Posted by ionadowman | play-chess-online.com 10/20/2008 00:13:51 Play online chess We all have out favorites....Message: My first sight of Tal's games in P.H. Clarke's book of his best games opened my eyes to something I had never before seen in chess, a kind of elemental ferocity that even the brilliancies of Anderssen, Morphy, Lasker and Alekhine never came close to matching. Only Lasker seemed able to steer so close to the edge and survive. For mine, Tal is my all-time favorite. It is a pity his health was so indifferent. I suspect it was the kind of disease that would tend psychologically to lead to impatient, "fidgetty" play that marred Tal's performance from time to time (not that I know anything much about it really). Paul Keres is another favorite, but he seems to be another who never seemed quite able to fulfil his potential. Second in three (or was it four?) successive Candidates' Tournaments must have been a unique record! Later in life he seemed to adopt a more "positional" style, rather to the detriment of his game, one feels. Cheers, Ion Posted by andy94 | play-chess-online.com 10/20/2008 06:36:43 Play online chess Message: Anyway, I can agree with Ion, when he talked about Tal's health. He was destroyed by smoke....What a pity. My legends (like I already said) are Fischer and Tal.......Nobody like them........ Posted by magna68 | play-chess-online.com 10/22/2008 15:50:39 Play online chess Define best...Message: your original question was "Who is, for you, the best chess player ever?" But then you listed your favorite 3. To me those can be two totally separate things. Personally I think no human can make it anymore to the list of 3 best chess player ever. Given that the scope of the game is winning, the "best" chess player must be the strongest. We probably then end up with names like Fritz, Rybka, Hiarchs or whatever their silicon names are as best chess player ever. That said, I'm pretty sure no one would put those "players" as their favorites. But we tend to mix those two things, count our favorite players as the "best". For example, I don't think it surprises anyone seeing people putting Tal on a list as one of their favorite 3. But on a list of best chess player ever? Nah, spectacular sacrifices that very often could have been refuted don't gain you a place on such a list. Then I don't really care who is the strongest player ever or even who was the strongest player ever before the silicon era. But I sure have opinion on who have been the most inspiring and important to us mere mortals. On such a list is hard to put only 3 names but if you would point a gun at my head I would cry out Lasker, Fischer and Kasparov. Cheers magna68 Posted by ionadowman | play-chess-online.com 10/22/2008 22:12:04 Play online chess I half-recall a story...Message: "But, bless you my boy," quoth the Master, "were we to play a match, he wouldn't win a single game!" Kinda puts the whole question into perspective, don't it? Cheers, Ion Posted by andy94 | play-chess-online.com 10/23/2008 05:54:17 Play online chess Message: Posted by magna68 | play-chess-online.com 10/24/2008 12:39:43 Play online chess andy94Message: best magna Posted by sunshinesuperman | play-chess-online.com 11/01/2008 18:37:08 Play online chess favourite chess playersMessage: 2. Fischer 3. Fischer Fischer, the Zeus of the chess world, played without a second (except during his championship run) throughout his brilliant career. He was and will always be The Man. Posted by blake78613 | play-chess-online.com 11/14/2008 07:24:59 Play online chess Message: Dvorestsky states that: "that intuitive assessment of the situation at the board is not the thirteenth world champion’s strong suit. He has always had the ability to immerse himself deep in a position, calculate long and accurately, and find (notice: I said find, not guess) the optimal solution, even when it may be difficult and subtle" In reference to the game Veingold vs Kasparov Dvorestsky further states: "In the game under consideration, Kasparov’s positional evaluation betrayed him over and over again – and not even so much at the board, as in his later annotations. As a result, the concrete variations upon which he based his conclusions turned out insecure and unconvincing" This supports my belief that Kasparov was a technician supported by a team of experts. 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