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| olympio 7/29/2003 21:47:50 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: paradoxMessage: What if someone started two games with someone. One they were white, one they were black. player A moves in the game where player A is white player B copies that move in the game where he is white.. player A responds to that move.. then player B copies that move in the first game.. i twisted it around in my head.. there would really be no way to avoid it.. seems like a lower rated player could do this to a higher rated player.. and get some points.. (i know you could stagger the games timewise so they'd be forced to move before you made the move and they knew what to do..) but aside from staggeirng the time is there any solution this paradox? |
| getoutofhere 7/29/2003 22:01:53 [ report this post ] | avoidable, i think Message: I don't really see what makes this a paradox rather than just a cheap trick, but, regardless, I think that you can always force an opponent who is playing like this to time out. For example if both games are set to time control 2 days per move, and I make a particular move you now have 2 days to reply. Unfortunately getting the right reply might take 2 days + the time that you spent copying the move over to the other game, so you are screwed. If the two games are different time controls then it is easy to make the cheater time out. |
| olympio 7/29/2003 22:59:47 [ report this post ] | well Message: yeah but i did say "aside from staggering the time" which i already thought of. i'm more interested if the logical idea can be refuted some how.. some way you can do it.. to avoid getting this done to you.. but i don't think there is a way.. |
| bogg 7/30/2003 00:03:44 [ report this post ] | In the movie Message: Where this was done the hero played a move so bad (actually it was a winning sac) that his opponent got greedy and didn't copy it. That is the only way I know of |
| nobody 7/30/2003 03:44:49 [ report this post ] | Olympio Message: Dont make a move in both games. If your opponent is copying game (a) with game (b). Stagger the games so that game (b) gets more moves played than (a). nobody |
| baby_pom 7/30/2003 06:58:37 [ report this post ] | possible answer Message: OTB...but not possible on gameknot though. Make an illegal move in 1 game. allow opponent to make same illegal move in second. Make your next move in this second game then before opponent can duplicate this move in the first game point out the mistake and take it back. |
| snowdog 7/30/2003 08:01:33 [ report this post ] | so on the 2nd board Message: each player copy the move made by its opponent in the 1st board. I don't know how to avoid it, but I can't see the point in doing this. If the 2nd game is a copy of the 1st you will always end with 2 draws or 1 win each. baby_pom. I've never played OTB but I can't see how an illegal move can pass unnoticed. |
| kai_sim 7/30/2003 08:41:14 [ report this post ] | i thought about that Message: same situation before... without try to let him timeout, eh? i agree with bogg. sacrifice a rook or bishop to get a slightly better position (i know you are capable of doing that), then check your acting skills and type something that states you made a mistake and didn't see that knight over there, hope he'll get greedy and doesn't do it. i would do it in the endgame, it's easy there against beginners, because the free pawn then sometimes gets all of a sudden that extra tempo to break through. on one board you win with the queen, on the other board he gets stuck with his pawn: remis or mate. and don't forget, best thing is: you can even set him up, because he's copying you!!! kai |
| baby_pom 7/30/2003 09:52:23 [ report this post ] | kai_sim Message: well he wouldn't have any reason to deviate would he, because he knows that even if he truly won that game on merit, he would lose the other game with an overall draw - same as if he sat tight and copied all the way through. |
| olympio 7/30/2003 11:18:16 [ report this post ] | yeah Message: cause it's either one win and one loss.. or two draws.. both of which benifit a lower rated player.. so he has no reason to deviate even if he thinks i made a blunder as for staggering the games so more moves in another.. it depends on him too.. we both have control over the rate of the games so that wouldn't work either |
| kai_sim 7/30/2003 16:36:11 [ report this post ] | sorry, but thats not correct Message: I was more thinking about your ratings. for the loss he would lose less points (maybe even gain 1) than you with your higher rating and vice versa. so there would be a point of doing so. |
| silverwolfwsc 7/30/2003 16:47:00 [ report this post ] | snowdog Message: "I've never played OTB but I can't see how an illegal move can pass unnoticed." This month's chess life (page 47) actually has just such a situation in it. The guy made an illegal move to put the king in check, and the next move he would have taken his opponents queen. His opponent promptly resigned, and the game result was set. |
| brucehum 7/31/2003 08:32:09 [ report this post ] | This cheapo was used in local league Message: This 'trick' was used in a local (catalan) OTB league match a few years ago, only the whole team used it, so the match ended 4-4. The offending team got demoted automatically as punishment. |
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