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| irish-pete 1/26/2004 23:31:00 [ report this post ] |
 Subject: Vlad's Implers -- Part 7Message: There was lots of good messages recently on Part 6 -- so make sure you have read everything at gameknot.com/fmsg/chess5/1476.shtml. Remember the 2004 Vlad's will be awarded soon. We have several applicants to our team who are going through our vetting process. Some applicants have either been considered unworthy of the team or have decided it best to disqualify themselves. Remember being a part of The Impalers is and remains a privilege for only the few. There is also an exciting new concept for the team. When we have the team website up, we should have a method for a closed forum discussion on the concept. The Killer Bee Irish-Pete |
| irish-pete 1/27/2004 16:31:58 [ report this post ] | A little recent setback . . . Message: Our team rating has dropped to 1494 from a team high of 1549 on January 14. We will have to work a little harder in our games to regain our rating. I ask each of you to add two more games to your personal limits so that we can achieve a higher rating earlier. Let's go, Impalers, this is for the team. Put the sting back in the Impalers! "Honey is sweet but the bee has a sting" (Yours truly had the win that provided the sting that put us at our high.) Irish-Pete |
| feuilleton 1/28/2004 13:35:19 [ report this post ] | Message: Yep, it's a shame that the NY guys took your 5th place. :/ |
| irish-pete 1/29/2004 00:03:33 [ report this post ] | How should one rate the #1 team? Message: GK uses two different methods. One is by pts gained ("score"). The other is by the team rating. Both have their pluses and minuses, but the fact is both can be abused by selective acceptance of challenges. That is one reason that I and others have proposed a different team league setup. Only when matches are mandatory against other competors will you get a real result. If you look at the two different methods used ag GK, you find that the Impalers have three teams close to them. I have just challenged all three. Let the team see whether these other teams are willing to engage us head to head to determine who is truly better. "Honey is sweet but the bee has a sting" The Killer Bee Irish-Pete |
| irish-pete 1/29/2004 01:48:51 [ report this post ] | One Decline Message: The New York Lovers have declined to accept our challenge. They are in fourth place, with 338 points when teams are rated by "score." The Impalers have 319 points. By team rating, they are only a 1409 team (compared to Impaler's 1501). This shows the problems with the existing rating system. A team can choose to avoid difficult contests. Irish-Pete |
| irish-pete 1/29/2004 01:55:24 [ report this post ] | New Challenge added Message: We have added a challenge to the BARCELONA PANORAMICS. They are in 3rd place, by "score" or points rating, with 342 points. However, by team ratings, they are only in 75th place. |
| zormaster 1/29/2004 10:20:36 [ report this post ] | BARCELONA PANORAMICS Message: Easy meat |
| irish-pete 1/29/2004 15:33:00 [ report this post ] | Second Decline Message: The Woodpushers, who are 5th by team rating with 1534 -- as compared to our 1501 -- have declined to accept our challenge. Once again we have proof that the existing measures for who is the best team simply don't work -- not when a team can avoid playing an excellent team. Unless there is a change in the way that the teams are measured, all we have is a joke for a rating system. Irish-Pete Captain of Vlad's Impalers, the team ready and willing to prove it is the No. 1 team at GK. |
| irish-pete 1/30/2004 04:50:19 [ report this post ] | And One more Declination Message: The Dutchables, No. 1 by points among the teams, declined. Need I add that the system for rating teams has to be changed if GK really wants to find its No. 1 team? Vlad's Impalers, the team willing and able to prove it is the No. 1 team at Gameknot. There was a chess player from Tunesia, Who was suffering from amnesia, So he took some milk of magnesia, And ended up in Indonesia |
| feuilleton 1/30/2004 06:06:32 [ report this post ] | Message: Is there any other rating method available we can trust at this moment? Tournament-points? I hope Mike is going to think about the situation now. |
| irish-pete 1/30/2004 07:38:34 [ report this post ] | Another Declination Message: BARCELONA PANORAMICS, the team in 3rd place by points, is added to the list of teams who have chosen not to prove their status by declining a match against Vlad's Impalers. Vlad's Impalers, the team willing and able to prove it is the No. 1 team at Gameknot. |
| irish-pete 1/30/2004 07:54:21 [ report this post ] | In my view, . . . Message: the only method to prove who is No. 1 would require the teams to face each other in mandatory competition. The best idea suggested to date would be to set the teams up like in the leagues. Teams would be placed in a particular dision, be required to face all other teams in their division and would then move up or down depending on the results. In that way, one could declare the No. 1 team at GK at the end of a season. Anything with voluntary competition simply won't work. When it is voluntary, a team can always search for the easy opponents and avoid the tough contests. In addition, I think that rating by total point score only shows who has played more games (as it does now), not who is the best team. By the point method, the Dutchables is well in first place with a point score of 879, but they have played 2957 games. That is a 34% rate. Vlad's Impalers has 320 points with 789 games, for a 41% rate. Should the Dutchables be considered first simply because they have played 3.75 times more games? Should a team be considered higher because it has more players than others and can therefore play more games? The answer, of course, is no. There has to be a better method for matching teams! I would like to hear opinion on this. Vlad's Impalers, the team willing and able to prove it is the No. 1 team at Gameknot. |
| feuilleton 1/30/2004 08:06:52 [ report this post ] | Message: It's really incredible, the New York Lovers simply consist of 41 members and so they gather their small points together. I hope no teams follow this trend and fill their team with members who win those 1500-games. It's incredible, Mike has done a great job so far, now he should reinvent a fair rating system. |
| irish-pete 1/30/2004 10:09:47 [ report this post ] | True problem . . . Message: That team might be a good team for its level of play, and should be recogniized as such. But should it really be recognized as the 3rd best team at GK? So if it ends up at the top of division D, fine. But the 3rd best team of all teams? In a head to head match of all my active players against their top players, I really don't think it would be a serious contest. Vlad's Impalers, the team willing and able to prove it is the No. 1 team at Gameknot. "This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force." Dorothy Parker |
| kobbe 1/30/2004 12:23:55 [ report this post ] | rating Message: How about calculate in %. Number of games won/played? |
| irish-pete 1/30/2004 13:40:20 [ report this post ] | I don't know whether ... Message: I don't know whether a % is any better than the team rating system. I think someone has to look at it, perhaps even run it historically, to see. But I don't believe it resolves the problem because, with a simple %, a team can still select the easy challenges and ignore the difficult ones. For example, a no. 2 team may play teams who would be in the second ten, but refuse to play the best team or the other teams who would be in the top five. Result: easy wins, good %. I don't see how a true championship can be obtained without mandatory matches. I don't see how you can really determine the top 10 spots without mandatory challenges. Irish-Pete Vlad's Impalers, the team willing and able to prove it is the No. 1 team at Gameknot. "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." Steven Wright |
| kobbe 1/30/2004 13:50:54 [ report this post ] | Yepp! Message: You can always play it safe. But if the list is sortet by % multiplied with rating. You can�t get on top, until you actually won against the best. It also motivates you to challenge better teams |
| irish-pete 1/30/2004 18:16:31 [ report this post ] | Our Website is Open! Message: The website of the team, designed and prepared by Peter (sjoroos), is up. A truly excellent job. Each team member should have received a pm. It is at chess.hopto.org/vlads/modules/news/. Everyone is welcome to visit and leave their views. Pete Vlad's Impalers, the team willing and able to prove it is the No. 1 team at Gameknot. |
| terryaki 1/30/2004 21:03:09 [ report this post ] | Website! Message: Thanks for the website Peter! The website is wonderful! You have given the Team a new exceptional, and advantageous, method of communication. John |
| cairo 1/31/2004 03:05:38 [ report this post ] | Thanks Message: Peter for a GREAT job on the new website!! Well Done :-)) Best wishes Cairo |
| zormaster 2/01/2004 12:32:01 [ report this post ] | i feel not welcome anymore Message: I asked 3 times for access to get in to the new web page but no answer. i saw that others had new access to get in, they were a lot later with their request then me but i think i understand.Pete has whiped me out of his tournaments to at stansco; so i might suppose my compagny here is to much. Just let me know and i am out |
| terryaki 2/05/2004 19:02:36 [ report this post ] | New team member! Message: Hello everyone! There is interesting information about our new team member, Astrid, posted on the team website, under "Team Forum". Thank you. |
| zormaster 2/06/2004 02:30:28 [ report this post ] | New team member! Message: I am not able to read that, have no access |
| zormaster 2/06/2004 03:44:18 [ report this post ] | Leave Message: I have left the team because none of my messages got any reply. Silence to me means please leave so i have. Bye guys |
| zormaster 2/06/2004 03:44:42 [ report this post ] | Leave Message: I have left the team because none of my messages got any reply. Silence to me means please leave so i have. Bye guys |
| sjoroos 2/08/2004 15:52:08 [ report this post ] | Info... Message: More important info to read in the forum at our site! If you havn't registered yet, please do as soon as possible :) |
| zormaster 2/09/2004 06:44:55 [ report this post ] | Info... Message: Yes except for those who had requested 5 times by you. Hope you enjoy my leave. It is you and Pete who ignore me as much if possible. Two big guys who act as spoiled kids. Bluch ................... Just remember this; to much power in the hand of the few makes war/ History gives that i am right. |
| steelsilver 2/10/2004 02:24:01 [ report this post ] | zormaster Message: Sorry to see you team is ignoring you....this should not happen at all. If you're looking for a team as u say you have left....then i'm sure my captain would consider you for our team.... |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 03:11:11 [ report this post ] | kind Message: Well it shows the real person after a mask of politeness and smiles. pete is not more then some dictator and sjosoo is his right hand in these matters. I feel sorry for them |
| carlosmart 2/10/2004 06:17:06 [ report this post ] | Zormaster. Message: Pete can't entablish internet connection from 10 days ago from his new house and Peter Sjoroos is out of his home in a work confference. Because that they can't response you. I believe you must not write this offensive post when you would not know because they can't response you and if you don't want to stay in our team. I feel sorry for say it, but you are giving the reason to all people speak about your character. I hope I did not pass to be a dictator for saying this. Carlos |
| cairo 2/10/2004 06:29:13 [ report this post ] | I Message: support 100% what carlosmart is writing above. Please write directly to irish-pete or sjoroos and let them have time to response, as carlosmart writing, they are both away, for the time being. Best wishes Cairo |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 10:05:48 [ report this post ] | carlos & cairo Message: i don't give a damn what you both think of me. And everyone here may say about me what they want, including you. |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 10:18:13 [ report this post ] | um Message: spoken of character; mine is not that bad but i speak direct from the hearth and when i think something wrong is done to me i speak loud and clear. I can't enter the vlads forum can i? I have to use this if you like it or not. |
| fianchettolover 2/10/2004 10:19:11 [ report this post ] | zormaster Message: i think you need a psychiatrist |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 10:25:55 [ report this post ] | lol Message: I am study medicines, maybe you can give me a good name? LOL Silly kid |
| sjoroos 2/10/2004 12:56:18 [ report this post ] | Thanx for the warm welcome ;) Message: zormaster, natacha or whatever you call yourself? I've been away on a conference for the Swedish Police since last monday, Pete is in the act of moving to a new appartment and can't access internet while he's doing that. I just wonder why we should get all this sh** because of that!? In my mail last week i asked you a POLITE question which you answered by crying out like some small kid! If this team was SO important to you, you could have waited a couple of days to get access to our site instead of acting in such a childish way!! I prefer not to publish your letters to me by respect to YOU!! All the things in your imagination had NOTHING to do with neither me or Pete, nor did we have any grudge against you (at that time). All you had to do was to wait a few days and to ask in a polite way! And by the way; EVER heard of the invention called e-mail??? I have to kids at 10 and 12 at home, and imagine my astonishment when you find a girl at 21 being at just about the same level!! "I want it NOW, or else i stand up and SHOUT" :( Wow, GROW UP for gods sake!! I tried for the longest to keep this as an internal problem because it dosn't consider any of the other members at GK, but as you've kept spreading disgrace over our team for too long i won't keep quiet anymore! I apologize to all teams, and must admit that you might have been right in what you expressed earlier in this subject. We've always chosen members in a careful way, appreciating qualitys like kindness, dignity, honesty, friendship and sportsmanship - words you don't seem to have ever heard of?? And we don't need to show all others what kind of person you are, cause THAT you're doing soooo good yourself :) Thanks for your time in the team, good luck with the next in line... and goodbye! /The "Dictator" P.S. Thanx for my new nickname, might even start using it ;) An excuse might appeal, but wait 'til you're grown up first..... |
| lexherman 2/10/2004 13:06:37 [ report this post ] | Sjoroos Message: Imagine to get zormaster as your doctor ((-:....do hope for mankind this is just i lie too. |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 13:17:06 [ report this post ] | lol Message: Get lost and take spy lexerman with you. Two fat balley's at one stomach ;>) Note from webmaster: zormaster has lost his/her forum posting privileges as a result of this and other posts (personal insults). |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 13:21:50 [ report this post ] | lex Message: satisfied lexerman? this is all you waiting for. Not able enough to speak for your own miserable ideas but waiting for the ball and knock it into the goal. simple minded one Note from webmaster: zormaster has lost his/her forum posting privileges as a result of this and other posts (personal insults). |
| sjoroos 2/10/2004 13:28:11 [ report this post ] | Well... Message: took about 2 minutes after my post until i got a message in my inbox spitting insolent insults at me, this is NOT fun anymore :( This is going to Mike, sorry can't act in any other way. |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 13:33:35 [ report this post ] | indeed Message: indeed an dictator |
| lexherman 2/10/2004 13:34:19 [ report this post ] | did same Message: with me....she is on my ignore list. |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 13:35:31 [ report this post ] | did same Message: and you on mine. |
| sjoroos 2/10/2004 13:36:12 [ report this post ] | :( Message: 3 more minutes until next insult, i am quoting: "Hello, sjoroos! poor children with such a dominant father :) read your own garbage back" This has to be acted against!!! I've reported it all to Mike and appreciate if you do that as well. This person obviously is out to hurt us peronally and the team. If this doesn't stop i will retire from GK emmidiatly :( |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 13:40:11 [ report this post ] | bad manners Message: these messages were send in private and shows me one more time you are not able enough to get on speaking terms in a case where you have hit the wrong person. be so kind to send this to send mike this to, thx |
| sjoroos 2/10/2004 14:05:47 [ report this post ] | Bye.. Message: Not answering ANY of your messages anymore in respect to you. From now on our Team get's back to what we're good at: PLAYING GREAT CHESS :) |
| carlosmart 2/10/2004 14:17:57 [ report this post ] | Vlad's Impalers Message: Ladys and Gentlemans��� Time for playing chess is open...... Forget. Only that have been a bad dream. Now we are 5th in points ranking, 3th in ELO rating and sure........ 1st in good people. Something we ever have proud of it from Vlad expressed the team spirit. Playing great Chess. Carlos |
| drdesoto 2/10/2004 14:38:14 [ report this post ] | Let�s please all calm down! Message: Obviously there have been misunderstandings and over-reactions most probably - as always - on both sides. But what happens now is just not reasonable in any case! Despite all troubles we are all sharing one strong common ground: The passion to play chess. Let�s get back doing this - playing. Insults and mortifications incorrectly addressed in anger could also been taken back! Best, drsesoto |
| zormaster 2/10/2004 14:42:46 [ report this post ] | sorry Message: My excuse if i acused any of you or hurt. Greetings Natacha |
| terryaki 2/12/2004 05:01:09 [ report this post ] | Fun Stuff! Message: It is time for fun stuff! Started a new topic on the Team Forum section, on the web page, called Poems. Hope that you enjoy the first Poem! |
| irish-pete 2/13/2004 12:20:52 [ report this post ] | I apologize Message: for the disaster that happened in my absence with the surprising problem with zormaster. I apologize for my decision in deciding to make her a member. I am still not back on the Net. I will be trying to have someone substitute for me during this time. I will explain in more detail later Pete |
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